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Style question: abbrevation dots and full stops
Thread poster: Karin Walker
Karin Walker  Identity Verified
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Oct 24, 2003

If your sentence ends with 'etc.', would you use a) the dot marking the abbreviation PLUS 2) the full stop, resulting in etc..?

Somehow, the double dot solution seems most logical to me but it does look a bit weird.
Are they any thoughts on this, or even (preferably) a reliable style guide offering some guidance on this?

TIA
K.


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mónica alfonso  Identity Verified
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No second dot Oct 24, 2003

The rule dictates that, as there is no dot before question and exclamation marks.
Good luck!

[Edited at 2003-10-24 23:01]


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Karin Walker  Identity Verified
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What rule? Oct 24, 2003

mónica alfonso wrote:

The rule dictates that (as in the case of question and exclamation marks).


Do you have a reference? Sorry, 'a rule' is a bit vague...


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mónica alfonso  Identity Verified
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http://www.grammarbook.com/ Oct 24, 2003

See this URL for some rules. Not many, but useful ones. In this particular case:

Rule 2. If the last word in the sentence ends in a period, do not follow it with another period.

Examples:
I know that M.D. She is my sister-in-law.
Please shop, cook, etc. I will do the laundry.




[Edited at 2003-10-24 16:39]


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Giles Watson  Identity Verified
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It depends ... Oct 24, 2003

... on the style guide you use.

The US publishers I translate for tend to use the Chicago Manual of Style, which says:

An abbreviating period, however, is never omitted before a mark of sentence punctuation *unless the latter is the period terminating the sentence.*

Other publishers may use other guides, such as the Oxford Style Manual, by Robert Ritter, or Judith Butcher's "light blue" equivalent, Copy-Editing: The Cambridge Handbook for Editors, Authors and Publishers, or have their own rules.

It is a very good idea to select a "default" style guide and stick to it, so that you have an answer ready if anyone questions your punctuation.

It's also useful to agree with clients what guide should be used for each job. You can save the copy editors an amazing amount of time if all your commas are in the right place!

Cheers,

Giles


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lien
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In french Oct 24, 2003

you write etc. and not etc...

You put it even for an exclamation mark

etc. !

But at the end of a sentence, not second dot.

les feuilles, les branches, etc.


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Monika Coulson  Identity Verified
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Same in Albanian Oct 24, 2003

In Albanian you should write:
etj.; etj., etj.!
but
etj. (if it is the end of the sentence.)
Monika

lien wrote:

you write etc. and not etc...

You put it even for an exclamation mark

etc. !

But at the end of a sentence, not second dot.

les feuilles, les branches, etc.


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Alexandru Pojoga
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Isn't this the same thing? Oct 24, 2003



An abbreviating period, however, is never omitted before a mark of sentence punctuation *unless the latter is the period terminating the sentence.*



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Alison Schwitzgebel
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No, it's not the same thing Oct 26, 2003

Alexandru Pojoga wrote:



An abbreviating period, however, is never omitted before a mark of sentence punctuation *unless the latter is the period terminating the sentence.*



Lets say that you want to list items 1, 2, 3, etc., then the abbreviating period for etc. is not the end of your sentence, but there is a punctuation mark after it (the comma).

Same also applies to e.g., i.e., etc., etc.

HTH

Alison


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