Off topic: How to identify an eastern pictographic language
Thread poster: Wendy Cummings

Wendy Cummings  Identity Verified
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Nov 27, 2007

Hi to all,

This is entirely off-topic, and I should be concentrating on my work, but I've been given a challenge that i am determined to beat!

Simply, I have received a message consisting of two pictograms, and I need to translate it.

The first issue is, I don't know which language it is.
The second issue is then how to translate it.

Since i do not know any eastern languages, apologies if I am speaking naively, but I am assuming there are differences between the various alphabets. If so, can any one either:

i. Recommend any sites that explain how to tell the difference; or
ii Give me any of their own pointers.

I only have the pictograms in an image, and so cannot reproduce them as text, only in image format.

Many many thanks!!


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nordiste  Identity Verified
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post in different foreign forum Nov 27, 2007

You could post the pictos (there is a way to post images - should be explained in the FAQ) in different Asian forum such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean to help recognise the language.

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Salam Alrawi  Identity Verified
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non latin characters Nov 27, 2007

Dear Wendy,

well, if it doesn't have latin characters then that would be easy to be recognized,

see, some languages are written in cursive way, not as seperated characters, so you can easily know them, others you can just tell from the alphabets theirselves,

Now the question is: when you say eastern languages, then what do you mean by that? which languages you consider them eastern and which are not? and depend on what?
Sorry but that confused me, as the word eastern can give a wide range meaning, and you know there are Japaneese, Chineese, Arabic, may be others,

As for Arabic languages, you can know them from the alphabets:

أ ب ت ث ج ح خ د ذ ر ز س ش ص ض ط ظ ع غ ف ق ك ل م ن ه و ي

those are all the alphabets we use in Arabic but there are still other things we call them accents,
Any way if I want to write your name in Arabic then it will be like this:

ويندي = Wendy

Hope I gave you a little Idea about Arabic,



Thank you very much,
Best regards,
Salam


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Evija Rimšāne  Identity Verified
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This might help Nov 27, 2007

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic (starting from section "Languages with letters containing diacritics")
and
http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/languages/index_en.htm )

Oh, so sorry!

I definitely need some rest -- obviously I have overworked myself because I initially read it as "Eastern European language"
oops

[Edited at 2007-11-27 14:20]

[Edited at 2007-11-27 14:20]

[Edited at 2007-11-27 14:21]


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Alp Berker  Identity Verified
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Create a webpage and link see we can see it Nov 27, 2007

Hi Wendy,
If you can create a weblink for it and give us the link, maybe someone can help. Upload the file on the web somewhere and forward the link to this thread and maybe someone can recognize it and help. If this is not possible email me the image file and I can see about doing this for you.
Hope this helps.
regards,
Alp



Wendy Leech wrote:

Hi to all,

This is entirely off-topic, and I should be concentrating on my work, but I've been given a challenge that i am determined to beat!

Simply, I have received a message consisting of two pictograms, and I need to translate it.

The first issue is, I don't know which language it is.
The second issue is then how to translate it.

Since i do not know any eastern languages, apologies if I am speaking naively, but I am assuming there are differences between the various alphabets. If so, can any one either:

i. Recommend any sites that explain how to tell the difference; or
ii Give me any of their own pointers.

I only have the pictograms in an image, and so cannot reproduce them as text, only in image format.

Many many thanks!!


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Wendy Cummings  Identity Verified
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link Nov 27, 2007

http://www.kalinkatranslation.com/english/pictograms0001.pdf

Apologies for the poor "handwriting", I copied it as best I could

I have received a suggestion that it means "theatre"...


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Narcis Lozano Drago  Identity Verified
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Chinese (Traditional Characters) Nov 27, 2007

戲院: theater (Babylon), in simplified characters:戏院

You can ask in Chinese Kudoz, just to be sure.

Narcis

[Edited at 2007-11-27 19:24]


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Rachel Fell  Identity Verified
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Web? Nov 27, 2007

Hi Wendy: is it possible to paste any of it into Google (or other searcher) oone way or another, and see what .country it identifies with? Sorry if too simplistic an answer!

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rchan
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Chinese for "Theatre" Nov 27, 2007

Hi, I confirm that Narcis Lozano Drago's answer is correct.

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Narcis Lozano Drago  Identity Verified
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An interesting site Nov 28, 2007

rchan wrote:

Hi, I confirm that Narcis Lozano Drago's answer is correct.


Thank you very much for the confirmation, rchan. 谢谢您.

I also want to recommend you, Wendy (as well as anybody interested in writing systems), this website:

www.omniglot.com

Here you can find information about hundreds of writing systems. It won't help you to translate them, but at least you will be able to tell if the scripts resembles a Chinese character, Devanagari, Thai, Georgian, etc.

Regards,

Narcis


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José Henrique Lamensdorf  Identity Verified
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When it REALLY goes wrong... Nov 29, 2007

I don't remember the details any more, but once I found a translation agency in the UK that was simply desperate to find a translator for a language they could not identify.

They had already ruled out most, if not all, Far Eastern languages, and were still just as puzzled. So I asked them, and they sent me the 3-page PDF file.

When I saw it, a sudden spark in my brain led me to the answer: it was handwritten Hebrew (which I can barely read, without understanding any of it). But whoever scanned that document was kind enough to "mirror" the image and turn it upside down!

[Edited at 2007-11-29 13:31]


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zgao_08
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give you an answer Nov 29, 2007

this is two Chinese characters
they are eqaul to"'theater .


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