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Association doubling as agency
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Hermann  Identity Verified
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Nov 29, 2007

Some weeks ago I posted a poll which was probably censored. I think most of you know the organisation I am referring to which is now also an active player offering translation services.

In this poll that never made it I've asked:

1) Is perfectly ok
2) Is definitely not ok
3) I don’t care one way or another

I am looking forward to your comments.

Cheers

Norbert


[Edited at 2007-11-30 07:56]


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Same legal entity? Nov 29, 2007

Are you sure it's the same legal entity that is wearing both hats?

Debs


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Hermann  Identity Verified
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Pretty sure Nov 29, 2007

Lawyer-Linguist wrote:

Are you sure it's the same legal entity that is wearing both hats?

Debs


I was already approached twice about potential projects. The agency operates under the name of the association.


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Hermann  Identity Verified
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It acts as a subsidiary of the association Nov 29, 2007

Lawyer-Linguist wrote:

Are you sure it's the same legal entity that is wearing both hats?

Debs


Just checked the emails and can confirm the agency "XxX .... Ltd" acts as a subsidiary of the association.

[Edited at 2007-11-29 19:57]


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Sven Petersson  Identity Verified
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It’s true – and it’s disgusting Nov 29, 2007

Nothing more to add!

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Sven Petersson
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Web site :www.svenp.com
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bohy  Identity Verified
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There are controls, however Nov 29, 2007

Although associations have specific tax treatment, they have also to conform to a number of rules. I don't know the rules in other countries, but in France associations cannot make profit.
You can expect, once in a while to have a tax audit. Everything should be screened, including level of salaries or other indirect advantages, which should not be out of proportion. In some cases, associations have to change status, and pay back their taxes.
I do not know which countries close their eyes on the activities of their associations and which ones don't, but it should be the (financial) interest of every country to control this tax issue.


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Erik Freitag  Identity Verified
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Who? Nov 29, 2007

I'd really like to know who you are talking about...Seems I have missed out this one.

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Iván Madrigal  Identity Verified
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Me too Nov 29, 2007

I would also like to know what/who are you talking about.

And if it's so obviously wrong why didn't he/them/it got banned already?

I


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Paul Merriam  Identity Verified
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Do names matter? Nov 29, 2007

I deal with agencies with a variety of names. Some of them are "Corporations", some are "Companies", some are "Agencies" and others have names that are collections of words (although none of these collections include the word "association"). So long as I and the agency agree on what they want me to do, how much they'll pay and when they'll pay it, why does it matter what they're called? If you don't like what they're offering, you're under no obligation to accept it.

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Cristiana Coblis  Identity Verified
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the principle matters Nov 29, 2007

Indeed, I agree that names should not be named. It is the principle that matters.

I would like to point out that discussing outsourcers specifically is discouraged on the forums by rules. Comments regarding specific outsourcers are invited on the Blue Board.

Thanks for understanding.


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Janet Doyle  Identity Verified
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Conflict of interest Nov 30, 2007

I'm afraid I didn't quite follow the direction of the last 2 comments. I had understood the point to be that an "association" - nonprofit by nature - is apparently also operating a presumably for profit enterprise.

And my further assumption from the post and the first few comments was that there might be some, shall we say, conflict of interest, even beyond the financial, between the two entities.

That was what I had presumed to be the "principle" in question.


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Hermann  Identity Verified
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This is an association which is in business to make profit Nov 30, 2007

It is a driving force selling to you and me all over the world diplomas which you 'need' to stay in business.

To me there is a definite conflict of interest, on a scale hitherto unheard of.


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Elena Robles Sanjuan  Identity Verified
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There is a comment in your post Nov 30, 2007

that has passed unnoticed, but I think it´s important: you said that your previous post could have been censored. Why?

Also, don´t you receive some kind of notification from Proz.com when you post something that goes against the rules? I just wonder why posting a message like this would cause trouble...


Sorry, it was a poll, not a post. Never mind


[Edited at 2007-11-30 06:28]


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Hermann  Identity Verified
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yes, it was a poll Nov 30, 2007

Elena Robles Sanjuan wrote:

that has passed unnoticed, but I think it´s important: you said that your previous post could have been censored. Why?

Also, don´t you receive some kind of notification from Proz.com when you post something that goes against the rules? I just wonder why posting a message like this would cause trouble...


Sorry, it was a poll, not a post. Never mind


[Edited at 2007-11-30 06:28]


I posted the poll nearly 4 weeks ago, but maybe there is a very long queue or maybe it was indeed censored.

[Edited at 2007-11-30 07:54]


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Hermann  Identity Verified
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I think, Paul, you are missing the point. Nov 30, 2007

Paul Merriam wrote:

I deal with agencies with a variety of names. Some of them are "Corporations", some are "Companies", some are "Agencies" and others have names that are collections of words (although none of these collections include the word "association"). So long as I and the agency agree on what they want me to do, how much they'll pay and when they'll pay it, why does it matter what they're called? If you don't like what they're offering, you're under no obligation to accept it.


In this case it does matter.


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