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Csaba Ban  Identity Verified
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Jan 7, 2004

Dear friends,
I would like to find out if any one of you read anything about the origin of the Turkish word for "God".
Hungarians (as me) are often interested in our obscure origins. Yesterday I read an article about the origin of the Hungarian word for "God": "Isten". According to the study, this was originally a compound word, namely "is" ("ancestor") + "ten" ("heaven").

Now, I am interested in the "ten" part. The study claims that is related to the word "tenger" or similar words in Siberian and Central Asian Turkic languages, meaning "heaven" or "sky". It is brought in relation with the Chinese "tian" meaning the same. (cf. Tian shan, Tiananmen).

Now, my question to the Turkish community here is whether you anything about the etimology of "Tanri". Is this derived from "tenger", or is a compund word "tan" + "ri"? In this case, what is the "ri" element?

Thank you for any explanation, cok tesekkür ederim.

Csaba Ban
Macaristan


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murat karahan  Identity Verified
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Hi Csaba Jan 7, 2004

Will you come over to cover the elections?
There's some dispute of its etymology.
According to some sources the first form of Tanrı is tengri, it is used in old Chinese texts as one of Mete's titles.
Another suggestion is that it is formed of the word "tan" which means sky. Taking into account that the ancient religion of the Turkish people was Sky God religion this seems logical too.
In the Yakut language tanrı is "tangara" and "tangora", in Mongolian "tangı", Chuvashian "tura". Other forms of "tanrı" in Turkic languages are tengere (as in Tengere Kayra Han, the creator of mankind), and "tengirü". In Summerian it is "tingir".
"Ten-tan" means both, sky and dawn in Turkish.
Other words with "tan-". "Tansık" = miracle, "tanrılık" = priest and temple. Apart from these, there are many Turkish names that start with "tan-"

Csaba Ban wrote:

Dear friends,
I would like to find out if any one of you read anything about the origin of the Turkish word for "God".
Hungarians (as me) are often interested in our obscure origins. Yesterday I read an article about the origin of the Hungarian word for "God": "Isten". According to the study, this was originally a compound word, namely "is" ("ancestor") + "ten" ("heaven").

Now, I am interested in the "ten" part. The study claims that is related to the word "tenger" or similar words in Siberian and Central Asian Turkic languages, meaning "heaven" or "sky". It is brought in relation with the Chinese "tian" meaning the same. (cf. Tian shan, Tiananmen).

Now, my question to the Turkish community here is whether you anything about the etimology of "Tanri". Is this derived from "tenger", or is a compund word "tan" + "ri"? In this case, what is the "ri" element?

Thank you for any explanation, cok tesekkür ederim.

Csaba Ban
Macaristan


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Haluk Levent Aka
Local time: 19:36
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I don't know about Turkish but... Mar 3, 2004

ten does mean heaven in Japanese. The word is of Chinese origin tien (as you proposed) and dates back to central asia.

Csaba Ban wrote:

Dear friends,
I would like to find out if any one of you read anything about the origin of the Turkish word for "God".
Hungarians (as me) are often interested in our obscure origins. Yesterday I read an article about the origin of the Hungarian word for "God": "Isten". According to the study, this was originally a compound word, namely "is" ("ancestor") + "ten" ("heaven").

Now, I am interested in the "ten" part. The study claims that is related to the word "tenger" or similar words in Siberian and Central Asian Turkic languages, meaning "heaven" or "sky". It is brought in relation with the Chinese "tian" meaning the same. (cf. Tian shan, Tiananmen).

Now, my question to the Turkish community here is whether you anything about the etimology of "Tanri". Is this derived from "tenger", or is a compund word "tan" + "ri"? In this case, what is the "ri" element?

Thank you for any explanation, cok tesekkür ederim.

Csaba Ban
Macaristan


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