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Wordfast - is it true that buying a licence does not include right to re-install
Thread poster: Comunican
Comunican
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:25
Feb 20, 2007

I am considering buying Wordfast, but am being put off by what seems to be a quite remarkably bad commercial condition.
If I understand it correctly, after paying 250€ for a Wordfast licence, if I should later need to re-install it for any reason, I would have to pay again? That can't be right, surely? Even Microsoft is not that unreasonable or greedy! Hopefully, I have misunderstood.
This, together with a rather high level of interest in the forums about how to de-install Wordfast, is putting me off.
Interested to know more about the licence issue as well as what people think of Wordfast in general... maybe it is all more trouble and complexity than it is worth..?
Thanks


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Dan Marasescu  Identity Verified
Romania
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Relicencing Feb 20, 2007

Hello,

I think you misunderstood. Have a look at the licence agreement here http://www.wordfast.net/?whichpage=agreement

I've never heard criticism that would justify the uninstalling of Wordfast. Probably some people try the demo version and then uninstall.

Good luck!
Dan

[Edited at 2007-02-20 19:41]


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David Daduč
Czech Republic
Local time: 21:25
English to Czech
Read the Wordfast license agreement Feb 20, 2007

Yes, I believe you misunderstood.

You can use Wordfast on a specific computer as long as you like. Whenever you install Wordfast on a new computer, you need to re-license, which is *free* for licensed users. A license is valid for 3 years. After 3 years, you can renew the license for a small fee (currently, it's half the full price).

The Wordfast license agreement is at http://www.wordfast.net/index.php?whichpage=agreement

If you are wondering whether Wordfast is worth the investment, go ahead and test it first. Without a license, Wordfast runs in generous demo mode, explained at http://www.wordfast.net/?whichpage=demo


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John Di Rico  Identity Verified
France
Local time: 21:25
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French to English
In small print on the page where you purchase the license... Feb 20, 2007

Hello,
Indeed, you are mistaken.

"Reminder: re-licensing Wordfast in the first three years after buying because of hard disk and/or system and/or Wordfast modification is free"

Here is a link to the license agreement: http://www.wordfast.net/?whichpage=agreement

If you attend a wordfast training session (see the training calendar on the web site), you are entitled to a 33% discount on the purchase of a license.

Here is some sound advice given to someone in your shoes on the Wordfast listserv the other day:
"First of all, cost is a non-issue. Your biggest cost derives from using no tool at all. If used properly, any of the numerous tool available on the market today will pay for itself, even for the most expensive ones.

Secondly, the CAT tool scene isn't black & white, it's not just Trados vs. Déjà Vu. Well, you must have realized that since you were smart enough to find the Wordfast group and ask your question here. Here is a non exhaustive list of tools you may want to have a look at: OmegaT, Metatexis, Wordfast, Heartsome, Déjà Vu, MemoQ, SDLX, Trados (when buying SDL Trados, you actually get two separate tools that used to be fierce competitors less than two years ago), Transit. I listed them more or less from cheapest to most expensive (though it's not easy since some products have several versions). You should test-drive them, just like you would test-drive a car or a potential husband, because you're the one who's got to have to live with the damned tool for the next few years.

Cheers,

Dominique"

Hope I've been helpful,

John Di Rico


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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
Netherlands
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You have to click "buy" again, yes, but not buy again Feb 21, 2007

Comunican wrote:
If I understand it correctly, after paying 250€ for a Wordfast licence, if I should later need to re-install it for any reason, I would have to pay again?


If you need to reinstall it on the same machine, chances are that you can reuse the install and serial number that you've used previously.

But if you need a new serial number because you had to reinstall it, simply get a new one, for free. To do this, you have to click the "buy" link on the web site, but then you click other links on the following pages that lead you to a page where you request a new number, for free.

Your licence is valid for 3 years. If you want to reinstall after 3 years, you have to buy a new licence again.


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Comunican
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Local time: 20:25
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thanks - and question on productivity... Feb 21, 2007

Thanks everyone, I am now continuing my Wordfast trial with more confidence that I am not wasting my time!

The lack of negative responses about Wordfast is also encouraging.

One of the things I like about it is how uncomplicated it is compared to say Trados, Metatexis or worst of all Deja Vu, which require specialist Masters degrees to use them.

Wordfast seems good on that front - PROVIDED there is no need to go into the Setup area, which is largely jargon and gobbledegook to me. But I suppose it's a question of time invested in learning and studying the system.

Meanwhile, I am trying to improve my productivity - that, after all, is why we have these tools, isn't it?! Opinions welcomed on whether Wordfast really does save time in the medium- to long-term. Right now - short-term - it just seems like a lot of investment of time and effort.

On the question of productivity, does anyone know how to make "Placeables" - be they proper nouns or words from my glossary - automatically drop into the target box of a segment, rather than having to keep pressing and selecting each one individually, which seems like a waste of time to me....?

Thanks!


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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Some answers Feb 21, 2007

Comunican wrote:
Wordfast seems good on that front - PROVIDED there is no need to go into the Setup area, which is largely jargon and gobbledegook to me.


The Wordfast control panel is your best friend -- don't do what some people do and use Wordfast without ever reading the user manual's description of what each of those features can do for you.

Pandora's Box is your next best fRiend. It's all in the user manual.

Does anyone know how to make "Placeables" ... automatically drop into the target box of a segment....?


Well, it's in the user manual... check out the PB switches (that's WF speak for Pandora's Box)... I think Propagate-something-or-other will do what you have in mind (I don't use it because it only saves time if you're a slow typer).


[Edited at 2007-02-21 18:07]


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Christel Zipfel  Identity Verified
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Sure you save a lot time! Feb 21, 2007

Comunican wrote:


Meanwhile, I am trying to improve my productivity - that, after all, is why we have these tools, isn't it?! Opinions welcomed on whether Wordfast really does save time in the medium- to long-term. Right now - short-term - it just seems like a lot of investment of time and effort.



I have been myself very very sceptical when I tried Wordfast, my first and only CAT-tool.

In the beginning, of course, you have to invest some time and you will learn from your mistakes which cost time, too. But I find that Wordfast is not difficult at all.

Then you will not have to look up any more which terminology you used last time you translated a similar text, to say nothing when it happens to be nearly or quite the same....

But where you will notice a really huge time saving is if you have to translate Excel sheets or Powerpoint files. With those formats normally one gets crazy and loses hours (not always you get an additional fee for that). Well, with Wordfast it is like translating a Word document and even faster if there are repetitions - nearly unbelievable! I have translated dramatically long Excel sheets in really no time! And in addition you get a Word count of your characters at no charge i.e. automatically (I only charge by target language, so I need to know how much was the translated text).

I have used Wordfast since about two years now, and I think I have saved at least ten times the investment I did (working less time and thus earning more). I use it only for my own purposes, so I was never asked to give discounts etc. and I think I would not give any. The software has a cost, you need to learn it, so I don't see why I should earn less afterwards...

Anyway, I would not do without it anymore!

[Bearbeitet am 2007-02-22 08:28]


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