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besturingsfilosofie

English translation: management philospohy

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Dutch term or phrase:besturingsfilosofie
English translation:management philospohy
Entered by: Chris Hopley

13:00 Apr 3, 2003
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
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Dutch term or phrase: besturingsfilosofie
In his Financieel-Economisch Lexicon, De Keizer gives 'governing philosophy', but I am having doubts. My initial idea - in part based on my context - was 'management philosophy', i.e. 'besturing' in the sense of governANCE rather than governING.

The text is littered with the term, but here's one example: "Door de vraag op deze manier te stellen wordt invulling gegeven aan de wens van de organisatie om te zoeken naar een meer expliciete en coherente besturingsfilosofie".

What are other people's thoughts on the matter?
Chris Hopley
Netherlands
Local time: 21:47
follow your first instincts!
Explanation:
Management philosophy is just fine, leadership philosophy, whatever you choose.

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Note added at 2003-04-03 15:19:40 (GMT)
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if we keep this simple and go with Van Dale, then besturen is to govern, administrate, manage, run, operate, etc. Pick a verb, any verb...........especially if this text is \'littered\' with this term as you say, Chris, depending on the context and style, you may be able to get creative AND versatile with the translation.

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Note added at 2003-04-03 15:32:33 (GMT)
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If you check out this link, \'bestuursfilosofie\' is translated as \'administration philosophy\' but it\'s in a public administrative context.......

... on: * Innovative administration philosophy: link between policy ... zich op: * Innovatieve
bestuursfilosofie: koppeling tussen ... of the management and supervision of ...
www.urban-2.nl/download/URBAN2ned_eng.pdf

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Note added at 2003-04-03 18:23:59 (GMT)
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Evert, with all due respect, your examples are consistently those from educational or other public institutions (assuming it\'s not a private school) - until we know what type of organisation is involved, it would seem that it is difficult to determine which term of all the ones suggested would be applicable in my view......

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Note added at 2003-04-03 18:25:48 (GMT)
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also, \'bestuur\' used in this sense (verb or participle) does not always, or dare I say, rarely refers to a board of directors - see my previous comment on the translations for besturen.......
Selected response from:

AllisonK (X)
Netherlands
Local time: 21:47
Grading comment
Thank you for the confirmation and for all the effort that went into finding corroborating sources.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +6follow your first instincts!
AllisonK (X)
5like the others
Kate Hudson (X)
4 +1governance philosophy / corporate governance philosophy
MoiraB
5Policy governance philosophy
Evert DELOOF-SYS
4Management philosophy
Adam Smith
4control philosophy
joeky janusch
4management philosophy
Nico van de Water


Discussion entries: 2





  

Answers


3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
follow your first instincts!


Explanation:
Management philosophy is just fine, leadership philosophy, whatever you choose.

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Note added at 2003-04-03 15:19:40 (GMT)
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if we keep this simple and go with Van Dale, then besturen is to govern, administrate, manage, run, operate, etc. Pick a verb, any verb...........especially if this text is \'littered\' with this term as you say, Chris, depending on the context and style, you may be able to get creative AND versatile with the translation.

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Note added at 2003-04-03 15:32:33 (GMT)
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If you check out this link, \'bestuursfilosofie\' is translated as \'administration philosophy\' but it\'s in a public administrative context.......

... on: * Innovative administration philosophy: link between policy ... zich op: * Innovatieve
bestuursfilosofie: koppeling tussen ... of the management and supervision of ...
www.urban-2.nl/download/URBAN2ned_eng.pdf

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Note added at 2003-04-03 18:23:59 (GMT)
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Evert, with all due respect, your examples are consistently those from educational or other public institutions (assuming it\'s not a private school) - until we know what type of organisation is involved, it would seem that it is difficult to determine which term of all the ones suggested would be applicable in my view......

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Note added at 2003-04-03 18:25:48 (GMT)
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also, \'bestuur\' used in this sense (verb or participle) does not always, or dare I say, rarely refers to a board of directors - see my previous comment on the translations for besturen.......

AllisonK (X)
Netherlands
Local time: 21:47
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 541
Grading comment
Thank you for the confirmation and for all the effort that went into finding corroborating sources.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Henk Peelen
25 mins
  -> bedankt!
neutral  hirselina: The sense is broader than "leadersip"
37 mins
  -> true. Good point. So Chris should stick with management
agree  writeaway: management philosophy-go with the flow
45 mins
  -> thanks!
agree  Lucy Spring
47 mins
  -> thanks!
agree  Hans Vandecappelle
1 hr
  -> bedankt!
agree  Robert Kleemaier
1 hr
  -> thanks!
disagree  Evert DELOOF-SYS: see below, there's a difference between besturingsfilosofie en management
1 hr
  -> zie mijn opmerking bij jou antwoord
agree  jarry (X)
2 hrs
  -> thanks!
agree  Tina Vonhof (X)
15 hrs
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Management philosophy


Explanation:
Based purely on my own experiences, I would use "management philosophy". Besturingsfilosofie is a phrase that I have come across occasionally, and I've always used "management philosophy" to cover it.

I don't know what others think!

Adam Smith
United Kingdom
Local time: 20:47
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 1145

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  hirselina
34 mins
disagree  Evert DELOOF-SYS: cfr. supra
1 hr
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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
like the others


Explanation:
in a world full of company cultures the term management philosophy rings bells in my ear, especially as I have a husband who regularly deals with people in Shell.

Kate Hudson (X)
Netherlands
Local time: 21:47
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 2017
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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
governance philosophy / corporate governance philosophy


Explanation:
This seems to be a common term these days. See for example:

http://www.virtual-board.com/philosophy.htm
It is my belief that you can never eliminate risk in the boardroom, but you can minimize the risk by developing a philosophy using the Best Practices of Corporate Governance.

One of these best practices outlines the board's responsibility to choose and approve a corporate philosophy by which it will govern. It is having such a stated philosophy that allows a board to govern more effectively in today's turbulent times



    Reference: http://www.virtual-board.com/philosophy.htm
    Reference: http://www.buckconsultants.com/Services/brochuer.pdf
MoiraB
France
Local time: 21:47
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 258

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Lucy Spring: The term 'corporate governance' cropped up in a text I was doing last week, but it was used in English, in inverted commas.
38 mins
  -> probably in inverted commas BECAUSE in was in English - assuming you mean it was in a Dutch text!
agree  AllisonK (X): I personally like 'corporate governance philosophy' as a possibility for Chris' question......
1 hr
  -> thanks! it does sound suitably poncy!
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50 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
control philosophy


Explanation:
Another option???

joeky janusch
Israel
Local time: 22:47
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in pair: 183
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
Policy governance philosophy


Explanation:
Besturingsfilosofie en management:
Toch een onderscheid, nl. het bestuur houdt toezicht op wat het management uitvoert.
Management philosophy lijkt me hier dus niet correct

Onderscheid gebaseerd op John Carver.

Ga eerst eens naar:

www.vcog.nl/vcog/html/actueel.asp

... directie en de scholen: Besturingsfilosofie en management. Het bestuur van de VCOG wil “besturen op hoofdlijnen”. De ideeën van ...

En dan bv. eens naar:

www.involvedparents.net/Governance.htm

... governance structure, adopted John Carver's Policy Governance ... itself to the “Policy
Governance” philosophy" URL - http ... sc.us/Policy Governance/index.html. ...


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Wat meer uitleg ivm \'besturingsfilosofie\'

Bv.:
Het bestuur van de school.
Het bestuur van de school wordt gevormd door een groep mensen die in het algemeen bestuur zitting hebben.

Dit bestuur is de werkgever van het personeel van de school. Naast personele taken heeft het bestuur ook de zorg over de financiën en de huisvesting van de school, en houdt het zich bezig met inhoudelijke zaken op het gebied van onderwijs en identiteit.

Op dit moment is het bestuur bezig zich te bezinnen op de manier van besturen en wil ze deze geschikt maken voor de toekomst. Uitgangspunt hierbij is, conform het fusierapport, de besturingsfilosofie van John Carver. Deze gaat uit van een bestuur op afstand en een management met vergaande bevoegdheden.

Een duidelijk verschil dus tussen het bestuur (doorgaans dus niet in loondienst) en het management (doorgaans wel in loondienst)

http://www.hettimpaan.nl/07schoolgids/06/0613.htm

Als je er dan de \'ideeën\' van Carver op naslaat kom je onmiddellijk bij \'policy governance philosophy\', en waarom ook niet?


Evert DELOOF-SYS
Belgium
Local time: 21:47
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in FlemishFlemish
PRO pts in pair: 1278

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  AllisonK (X): je zou misschien gelijk hebben ALS het over een overheidsinstantie of andere openbare instelling gaat. Anders niet IMHO
10 mins
  -> dat hoeft niet, in het NL wordt immers bijna altijd een verschil gemaakt tussen 'bestuur' (e.g. as in BoD-raad van bestuur) en 'management' (de uitvoerders)
neutral  jarry (X): Het bestuur houdt toezicht op wat het management uitvoert? I thought that was the task of the supervisory board. In any case, what exactly would be the difference between "bestuur" and 'management'?
47 mins
  -> yes indeed, 'het bestuur' (the BoD, supervisory board) supervises the managers; there's a distinct difference between the two, as you know. Example in the first reference I gave
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4 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
management philosophy


Explanation:
I agree with those opting for management philosophy. Also, have any of you noticed that the Dutch word "besturingsfilosofie" itself is incorrect? "Besturing" is related to driving / riding a vehicle (car, motorbike, bicycle, etc.). Cf. a university's "bestuursgebouw"...

Best regards,Klaas.

Nico van de Water
Netherlands
Local time: 21:47
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish
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