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English translation: independent professional

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Portuguese term or phrase:profissional liberal
English translation:independent professional
Entered by: Sandra Gouv
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10:54 Jun 2, 2004
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Portuguese term or phrase: profissional liberal
:)
Sandra Gouv
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:21
independent professional
Explanation:
some lawyers
accountants
architects
doctors
dentists
surveyors
appraisers
engineers et alia AND
translators
the word SOME applies to all the above.......

This is the expression in US English.....

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Note added at 1 hr 51 mins (2004-06-02 12:46:11 GMT)
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THIS IS THE TERM IN THE UK AND THE USA...

A PROFESSIONAL LIBERAL WOULD MEAN SOMEBODY WHO MAKES THEIR LIVING AS A POLITICIAN FOR THE LIBERAL PARTY [UK :)] or

IN THE US, ONE WHO IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE POLITICALLY AND WHO MAKES A LIVING FROM THAT.



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Note added at 2 hrs 5 mins (2004-06-02 13:00:38 GMT)
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Note to Rowan

Why don\'t you google independent professional?? Self-employed is only ONE aspect. In all LAtin languages TO English, it\'s independent professionals. My comment under your answer is correct. For example, on a buisness card, no one would write:

John Smith
self-employed professional...but rather

John Smith
Independent professional

etc.

So it depends on context, but the formal term is independent.

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Note added at 2 hrs 8 mins (2004-06-02 13:03:41 GMT)
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Please note:
... Hyperlinked hub for independent professionals. ... 9. Freelance Living - a
site for free agents, independent professionals and freelancers, ...
www.excite.co.uk/directory/Society/ Work/Self-Employment - 58k - Cached - Similar pages

Excite UK - Directory - Freelancer-Contractor Services
... services for consultants, contractors, free agents, and independent professionals.
http://www.mybizoffice.com. 18. Prosperity4.com, UK service offering an Inland ...
www.excite.co.uk/directory/Business/Financial_Services/ Freelancer-Contractor_Services - 60k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.excite.co.uk ]

Business Advice in UK Net Guide: Business
... UK Net Guide rating: Better Business Comment: Independent, impartial information
for smaller businesses and independent professionals. ... UK Net Guide rating: ...
www.uknetguide.co.uk/Business/Business_Services/ - 60k - May 31, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Greater Lexington Chamber of Commerce
Independent Professionals Network. ... To be the resource in Central Kentucky
that enhances opportunities for all independent professionals”. ...
www.lexchamber.com/main/html/IPN/ipn.htm - 25k - Cached - Similar pages

See also...
Forum of Independent Professionals. PROfile is the PROfessional Forum
In Leicestershire, a group of self-employed professional businessmen ...
www.chamberofcommerce.co.uk/profile.asp - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

Better Business Magazine - Welcome!
... Welcome to the UK\'s leading resource for smaller businesses and independent professionals,
brought to you by the publishers of Better Business magazine. ...
www.better-business.co.uk/ - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

MYOB UK Techsupport
... topics are added regularly. to top. MYOB Certified Consultants. Personal
help from independent professionals In addition to these ...
www.myob.co.uk/service/techsupport/support_plans.htm - 35k - Cached - Similar pages

All Freelance Work : Self-Employed jobs: Contractors : Consultants ...
... There are a large number of open projects. Freelancers.net, A great non-auction
freelance job board for UK residents. Guru.com, Freelance non-auction jobboard. ...
www.allfreelancework.com/viewsites.php - 47k - Cached - Similar pages

Vertigo: independent film magazine
... A rousing challenge both to government and the UK Film Council was ... These were convened
by independent professionals to discuss a broad agenda of issues arising ...
www.vertigomagazine.co.uk/ParliamentIntroduction.htm - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

Freelance : Work At Home Jobs: job Opportunities : abroad ...
... Work, Work At Home, Job sites, job search, uk, business, home ... Search frelance, web,
web design developement, work at home business, independent professionals. ...
www.contractedwork.com/oppertunities.htm - 27k - Cached - Similar pages

THE MOST FORMAL TERM IS INDEPENDENT PROFESSIONAL...INDEPEDENT PROFESSIONALS ARE ALSO SELF-EMPLOYED

... Hyperlinked hub for independent professionals. ... 9. Freelance Living - a
site for free agents, independent professionals and freelancers, ...
www.excite.co.uk/directory/Society/ Work/Self-Employment - 58k - Cached - Similar pages

Excite UK - Directory - Freelancer-Contractor Services
... services for consultants, contractors, free agents, and independent professionals.
http://www.mybizoffice.com. 18. Prosperity4.com, UK service offering an Inland ...
www.excite.co.uk/directory/Business/Financial_Services/ Freelancer-Contractor_Services - 60k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.excite.co.uk ]

Business Advice in UK Net Guide: Business
... UK Net Guide rating: Better Business Comment: Independent, impartial information
for smaller businesses and independent professionals. ... UK Net Guide rating: ...
www.uknetguide.co.uk/Business/Business_Services/ - 60k - May 31, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Greater Lexington Chamber of Commerce
Independent Professionals Network. ... To be the resource in Central Kentucky
that enhances opportunities for all independent professionals”. ...
www.lexchamber.com/main/html/IPN/ipn.htm - 25k - Cached - Similar pages

See also...
Forum of Independent Professionals. PROfile is the PROfessional Forum
In Leicestershire, a group of self-employed professional businessmen ...
www.chamberofcommerce.co.uk/profile.asp - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

Better Business Magazine - Welcome!
... Welcome to the UK\'s leading resource for smaller businesses and independent professionals,
brought to you by the publishers of Better Business magazine. ...
www.better-business.co.uk/ - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

MYOB UK Techsupport
... topics are added regularly. to top. MYOB Certified Consultants. Personal
help from independent professionals In addition to these ...
www.myob.co.uk/service/techsupport/support_plans.htm - 35k - Cached - Similar pages

All Freelance Work : Self-Employed jobs: Contractors : Consultants ...
... There are a large number of open projects. Freelancers.net, A great non-auction
freelance job board for UK residents. Guru.com, Freelance non-auction jobboard. ...
www.allfreelancework.com/viewsites.php - 47k - Cached - Similar pages

Vertigo: independent film magazine
... A rousing challenge both to government and the UK Film Council was ... These were convened
by independent professionals to discuss a broad agenda of issues arising ...
www.vertigomagazine.co.uk/ParliamentIntroduction.htm - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

Freelance : Work At Home Jobs: job Opportunities : abroad ...
... Work, Work At Home, Job sites, job search, uk, business, home ... Search frelance, web,
web design developement, work at home business, independent professionals. ...
www.contractedwork.com/oppertunities.htm - 27k - Cached - Similar pages



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Note added at 2 hrs 12 mins (2004-06-02 13:07:37 GMT)
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Please note:
All independent professionals are self-employed....
not all self-employed are independent professionals.

the most formal term is independent professional [see above] but one can say self-employed in some contexts.

:)



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Note added at 2 days 3 hrs 42 mins (2004-06-04 14:36:55 GMT)
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As a CATEGORY of the workforce, the term is independent professional...now, depending on the context, you might say self-employed....but in general, that\'s the term..the rest is determined by context ALONE...
Selected response from:

Jane Lamb-Ruiz
Grading comment
Thank you.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +6self-employed personRowan Morrell
5 +2independent professionalJane Lamb-Ruiz
4 +1Liberal ProfissionalAntónio Ribeiro
4freelancersweetlion
Summary of reference entries provided
Semente

  

Answers


6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
self-employed person


Explanation:
If I recall rightly.

Rowan Morrell
Local time: 18:21
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Henrique Serra: or self-employed professional
36 mins
  -> Yes, that too. Thanks Henrique.

agree  Aoife Kennedy: Yes, or, depending on the context, "freelance", but "self-employed" covers all options.
38 mins
  -> Indeed. Thanks Aoife.

agree  Antonio Farias: This is the one I also use.
46 mins
  -> Thanks Ayrton.

agree  nothing: I think you have to add professional. A self-employed plumber is not a profissional liberal. Think of what types of jobs are considered "professions" in English (as opposed to trades); it's the same in Portuguese
1 hr
  -> Good points, and "self-employed professional" certainly has a nice ring too. Thanks nothing.

disagree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz: I want the answer to stand out. The most formal term is independent professional...self-employed is right in some contexts. The posts on this are mostly wrong...:)
1 hr
  -> This word has been covered in a few other language pairs and "self-employed professional" or something similar is usually the answer.

agree  Marsel de Souza
5 hrs
  -> Thanks Marsel.

agree  Silvia Borges: self-employed professional sounds good
8 hrs
  -> Thank you, Silvia.

agree  Maria Luisa Duarte: I vote for "self-employed"
1 day13 hrs
  -> Thanks Maria.
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Liberal Profissional


Explanation:
Não será isto?

Profissional Liberal -
Profissional liberal é o individuo que exerce uma actividade económica de uma forma não assalariada, que também não se caracteriza pela prática reiterada ...
www.apdt.org/guia/profissional_liberal.htm

Welcome to Adobe GoLive 4... alimentary industry Furniture Resale Government Accounting Liberal Profissional Building Constructionl Metalomechanic Education Informatic Turism Chemical and ...
www.importoplas.pt/feedback_importoplas_eng.htm


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Note added at 2004-06-02 12:29:32 (GMT)
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O meu problema é que \"self-employed\" não se encaixa no conceito Pt-Pt de profissão liberal.

Só alguns exemplos de \"Liberal Professional\" em inglês:


Fixed Fees to Liberal Professions... As a Liberal Professional myself (in my case a doctor) I have to say that my experience of fixed professional fees such as cremation fees and attendance at ...
www.charlestannock.com/050401.asp

Contemporary Perspectives -- Liberal-Professional Scholarship ...The Liberal-Professional Scholarship Award. Emphasis on Integrated Learning. Contemporary Perspectives is a course that encourages ...
faculty.philau.edu/l911/award.html

APPENDIX IV -European Liberal Professional Surveyors... Surveyors. APPENDI X IV European Liberal Professional Surveyors The following definition, dated 24 April 1996, has been given by Dr.-Ing. ...
www.vugtk.cz/CLGE/documents/stannard/appendix4.html

Liberal Professions Conference... of the presentation pdf Do professional organizations in charge of the drafting or controlling the rules concerning the practice of liberal professions have to ...
europa.eu.int/comm/competition/liberalization/ conference/libprofconference.html

Academic Profession in Brazil, chapter 1, The Academic Professions... public bureaucracy. Like the liberal professional, the civil servant keeps the pride and prestige of a learned profession. He retains ...
www.schwartzman.org.br/simon/carnegie/capt1.htm


António Ribeiro
Local time: 15:21
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 68

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Rowan Morrell: I think you mean "profEssional" rather than profIssional. But in any case, this is generally self-employed person/freelancer in English.
39 mins
  -> Yes, profEssional. Thanks.

agree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz: António, a 1era referencia é um erro de traduão ..gigantesco...veja abaixo o que quer dizer professional liberal..it's independent professional...os sites lusofonos et alia estão errados...:)
1 hr
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
freelancer


Explanation:
Isn't just so ?

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Note added at 21 hrs 27 mins (2004-06-03 08:22:10 GMT)
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I see that the context is really essential in this case. Fir instance, when it comes to translations, I put \"Freelance Translator\" but in other cases I say \"Independent Agent\", completely like in one of the comments.
I fully agree with jane that every independent professional is self-employed, but not the other way round.
So, Sandra, see your text and ...good luck !

sweetlion
Portugal
Local time: 05:21

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz: No this is not right..
1 min
  -> Thank you, Jane. If you or anyone else could explain what is the difference, there are more than just me to benefit, I see.

agree  Ricardo Fonseca: that would be my gess too
54 mins
  -> Obrigada, Ricardo.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +2
independent professional


Explanation:
some lawyers
accountants
architects
doctors
dentists
surveyors
appraisers
engineers et alia AND
translators
the word SOME applies to all the above.......

This is the expression in US English.....

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr 51 mins (2004-06-02 12:46:11 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

THIS IS THE TERM IN THE UK AND THE USA...

A PROFESSIONAL LIBERAL WOULD MEAN SOMEBODY WHO MAKES THEIR LIVING AS A POLITICIAN FOR THE LIBERAL PARTY [UK :)] or

IN THE US, ONE WHO IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE POLITICALLY AND WHO MAKES A LIVING FROM THAT.



--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 hrs 5 mins (2004-06-02 13:00:38 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Note to Rowan

Why don\'t you google independent professional?? Self-employed is only ONE aspect. In all LAtin languages TO English, it\'s independent professionals. My comment under your answer is correct. For example, on a buisness card, no one would write:

John Smith
self-employed professional...but rather

John Smith
Independent professional

etc.

So it depends on context, but the formal term is independent.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 hrs 8 mins (2004-06-02 13:03:41 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Please note:
... Hyperlinked hub for independent professionals. ... 9. Freelance Living - a
site for free agents, independent professionals and freelancers, ...
www.excite.co.uk/directory/Society/ Work/Self-Employment - 58k - Cached - Similar pages

Excite UK - Directory - Freelancer-Contractor Services
... services for consultants, contractors, free agents, and independent professionals.
http://www.mybizoffice.com. 18. Prosperity4.com, UK service offering an Inland ...
www.excite.co.uk/directory/Business/Financial_Services/ Freelancer-Contractor_Services - 60k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.excite.co.uk ]

Business Advice in UK Net Guide: Business
... UK Net Guide rating: Better Business Comment: Independent, impartial information
for smaller businesses and independent professionals. ... UK Net Guide rating: ...
www.uknetguide.co.uk/Business/Business_Services/ - 60k - May 31, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Greater Lexington Chamber of Commerce
Independent Professionals Network. ... To be the resource in Central Kentucky
that enhances opportunities for all independent professionals”. ...
www.lexchamber.com/main/html/IPN/ipn.htm - 25k - Cached - Similar pages

See also...
Forum of Independent Professionals. PROfile is the PROfessional Forum
In Leicestershire, a group of self-employed professional businessmen ...
www.chamberofcommerce.co.uk/profile.asp - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

Better Business Magazine - Welcome!
... Welcome to the UK\'s leading resource for smaller businesses and independent professionals,
brought to you by the publishers of Better Business magazine. ...
www.better-business.co.uk/ - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

MYOB UK Techsupport
... topics are added regularly. to top. MYOB Certified Consultants. Personal
help from independent professionals In addition to these ...
www.myob.co.uk/service/techsupport/support_plans.htm - 35k - Cached - Similar pages

All Freelance Work : Self-Employed jobs: Contractors : Consultants ...
... There are a large number of open projects. Freelancers.net, A great non-auction
freelance job board for UK residents. Guru.com, Freelance non-auction jobboard. ...
www.allfreelancework.com/viewsites.php - 47k - Cached - Similar pages

Vertigo: independent film magazine
... A rousing challenge both to government and the UK Film Council was ... These were convened
by independent professionals to discuss a broad agenda of issues arising ...
www.vertigomagazine.co.uk/ParliamentIntroduction.htm - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

Freelance : Work At Home Jobs: job Opportunities : abroad ...
... Work, Work At Home, Job sites, job search, uk, business, home ... Search frelance, web,
web design developement, work at home business, independent professionals. ...
www.contractedwork.com/oppertunities.htm - 27k - Cached - Similar pages

THE MOST FORMAL TERM IS INDEPENDENT PROFESSIONAL...INDEPEDENT PROFESSIONALS ARE ALSO SELF-EMPLOYED

... Hyperlinked hub for independent professionals. ... 9. Freelance Living - a
site for free agents, independent professionals and freelancers, ...
www.excite.co.uk/directory/Society/ Work/Self-Employment - 58k - Cached - Similar pages

Excite UK - Directory - Freelancer-Contractor Services
... services for consultants, contractors, free agents, and independent professionals.
http://www.mybizoffice.com. 18. Prosperity4.com, UK service offering an Inland ...
www.excite.co.uk/directory/Business/Financial_Services/ Freelancer-Contractor_Services - 60k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.excite.co.uk ]

Business Advice in UK Net Guide: Business
... UK Net Guide rating: Better Business Comment: Independent, impartial information
for smaller businesses and independent professionals. ... UK Net Guide rating: ...
www.uknetguide.co.uk/Business/Business_Services/ - 60k - May 31, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Greater Lexington Chamber of Commerce
Independent Professionals Network. ... To be the resource in Central Kentucky
that enhances opportunities for all independent professionals”. ...
www.lexchamber.com/main/html/IPN/ipn.htm - 25k - Cached - Similar pages

See also...
Forum of Independent Professionals. PROfile is the PROfessional Forum
In Leicestershire, a group of self-employed professional businessmen ...
www.chamberofcommerce.co.uk/profile.asp - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

Better Business Magazine - Welcome!
... Welcome to the UK\'s leading resource for smaller businesses and independent professionals,
brought to you by the publishers of Better Business magazine. ...
www.better-business.co.uk/ - 22k - Cached - Similar pages

MYOB UK Techsupport
... topics are added regularly. to top. MYOB Certified Consultants. Personal
help from independent professionals In addition to these ...
www.myob.co.uk/service/techsupport/support_plans.htm - 35k - Cached - Similar pages

All Freelance Work : Self-Employed jobs: Contractors : Consultants ...
... There are a large number of open projects. Freelancers.net, A great non-auction
freelance job board for UK residents. Guru.com, Freelance non-auction jobboard. ...
www.allfreelancework.com/viewsites.php - 47k - Cached - Similar pages

Vertigo: independent film magazine
... A rousing challenge both to government and the UK Film Council was ... These were convened
by independent professionals to discuss a broad agenda of issues arising ...
www.vertigomagazine.co.uk/ParliamentIntroduction.htm - 17k - Cached - Similar pages

Freelance : Work At Home Jobs: job Opportunities : abroad ...
... Work, Work At Home, Job sites, job search, uk, business, home ... Search frelance, web,
web design developement, work at home business, independent professionals. ...
www.contractedwork.com/oppertunities.htm - 27k - Cached - Similar pages



--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 hrs 12 mins (2004-06-02 13:07:37 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Please note:
All independent professionals are self-employed....
not all self-employed are independent professionals.

the most formal term is independent professional [see above] but one can say self-employed in some contexts.

:)



--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 days 3 hrs 42 mins (2004-06-04 14:36:55 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

As a CATEGORY of the workforce, the term is independent professional...now, depending on the context, you might say self-employed....but in general, that\'s the term..the rest is determined by context ALONE...

Jane Lamb-Ruiz
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 98
Grading comment
Thank you.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  xxxCMJ_Trans: not wishing to rain on your parade but NO-ONE would put "independent professional" on his/her business card. "freelance journalist" "independent agent", etc. yes....
45 mins
  -> what I am saying is you would PUT independent and NOT self-emplyed..it's a point about context...

agree  Marsel de Souza: No context has been provided. This works too.
3 hrs

agree  Henrique Magalhaes
5 days
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Reference comments


1552 days
Reference

Reference information:
Although an answer as been selected, I post these references for those such as myself who search the Kudoz database and still have doubts as to which answer is the correct one:

Liberal
1. [...]
2. [...]
3. [...]
4. [...]
5. diz-se da profissão de carácter intelectual e independente

http://www.infopedia.pt/

profissões liberais: profissões de carácter intelectual e sem vínculo laboral a empresa ou ao Estado.

http://www.priberam.pt/

My two cents of wisdom are that, in Portuguese, "profissões liberais" refer to 1) intellectual work (for which formal training is required) and 2) a certain independence in the practice of such profession. Although one of the definitions above does point out to the self-employed, one must take into account that, as someone else put it, not all self-employed can be considered "profissionais liberais". Moreover, I know quite a few lawyers who would not describe themselves as "self-employed" but would nonetheless claim to be "profissionais liberais". I think, therefore, that "profissão liberal" refers more to the possibility of those (learned) professions that allow for an independent, autonomous, and, yes, self-employed practice.

They usually have their own regulatory bodies and strict admission requirements: Eg. Lawyers, Doctors, Engineers, Dentists, etc.

Semente
Macau
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