this is due to that...

English translation: this is due to the fact that /// this is because

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English term or phrase:this is due to that...
Selected answer:this is due to the fact that /// this is because
Entered by: Michael Powers (PhD)

19:47 Jan 4, 2009
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Science - Linguistics
English term or phrase: this is due to that...
I'm checking a document where the author has used this expression several times
e.g . This is due to that LOC filters high frequency signal components..
(where "filters" is the verb)

I feel that it needs to be due to THE FACT that, but want to be sure that a correction is necessary.

Similar cases found on the internet:

This is due to that an active process is sensitive to your defined goals, your personal preferences, and your responsibilities, and of course the context of ...
ivarjacobson.wordpress.com/2004/12/

This is due to that the increased economic integration between economies and internationalisation has changed the traditional ability to maintain overall ...
www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-33004002_ITM
Nesrin
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:57
this is due to the fact that /// this is because
Explanation:
Certainly sounds like something is missing here. Apparently either of these changes that are proposed would work.

Mike :)
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Michael Powers (PhD)
United States
Local time: 06:57
Grading comment
Thanks Michael and everyone else for the confirmation!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
4 +10this is due to the fact that /// this is because
Michael Powers (PhD)
4this is due to the fact that
Ellen Kraus
5 -4"the fact" is called for idiomatically, not grammatically
Fuad Yahya


Discussion entries: 10





  

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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +10
this is due to the fact that /// this is because


Explanation:
Certainly sounds like something is missing here. Apparently either of these changes that are proposed would work.

Mike :)

Michael Powers (PhD)
United States
Local time: 06:57
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 136
Grading comment
Thanks Michael and everyone else for the confirmation!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  inmb
14 mins
  -> Thank you, inmb - Mike :)

agree  Sabine Akabayov, PhD
16 mins
  -> Thank you, sibsab - Mike :)

agree  Armorel Young: yes - and my preference would be "because", simply because "due to the fact that" is such a mouthful
53 mins
  -> Thank you, Amorel - "because" certainly is more succinct - Mike :)

agree  Darius Saczuk
55 mins
  -> Thank you, Dariusz - Mike :)

agree  Tony M: And like Armorel, I feel your alternative of 'because' is the better solution where it fits, for the sake of KIS!
58 mins
  -> Thank you, Tony - Mike :)

agree  Madeleine MacRae Klintebo
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Madeleine - Mike :)

agree  Jack Doughty
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Jack - Mike :)

agree  Demi Ebrite: 'Because' . . . Armoral and Tony have good points ~ the exapmles are possibly unchecked translations, or the migration of poor usage of language into mainstream documentation.
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Demi - yes, Amoral and Tony do have good points - Mike :)

agree  Mihaela Ghiuzeli: With Nesrin and Madeleine on transitive verbs and syntax in this sentence.
2 hrs
  -> Thank you, Mihaela - Mike :)

agree  punam
2 days 36 mins
  -> Thank you, punam - Mike :)
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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
this is due to the fact that


Explanation:
I wholly share your view in this respect and plead for the above suggestion

Ellen Kraus
Austria
Local time: 11:57
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
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41 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -4
"the fact" is called for idiomatically, not grammatically


Explanation:
The phrase "due to" is to be followed by a noun or a noun phrase. The word string "that LOC filters high frequency signal components" is a noun phrase and can be used as a subject, an object, or in any other function where a noun is called for. However, the idiomatic expectation immediately after "due to" is to have an apposite noun, such as "the fact," which merely serves to signal that what follows is a long noun phrase composed of a full sentence preceded by the word "that." The precedent apposite noun makes for a much smoother flow.

Notice also that, depending on the content of the sentence, different apposite nouns may be called for: the notion, the idea, the thought, the assumption, the presumption, etc. In most cases, the long noun phrase is taken to be a fact, so "the fact" works best.

If you are editing, I would suggest you insert "the fact."

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-01-04 21:43:51 GMT)
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Answer to Tony M's question: Thank you for your inquiry. "That," at lease in this construction, is not a noun by any means. The phrase composed that+a sentence is a noun: Examples:

- He ate the Christmas pudding. (a full sentence)
- I did not know that he ate the Christmas pudding. ("that he ate the Christmas pudding"" is a noun phrase).

- LOC filters. (a full sentence)
- I did not know that LOC filters. ("that LOC filters" is a noun phrase. You can also say, "I did not know the fact that LOC filters." In this case, the apposite noun "the fact" is not idiomatically required, but when the long phrase is preceded by "due to," the idiomatic expectation is just too strong to ignore, so strong that it is not unusual for people to think of it as a grammatical requirement. Without "the fact," the sentence simply sounds rickety, as it sounded to Nesrin).

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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-01-04 22:44:48 GMT) Post-grading
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Yes, exactly. It is pretty straightforward, but it does not surprise me that the nature of the fault is perceived by some as grammatical, because the need for "the fact" is felt so very strongly.

Incidentally, in your example, "That the earth is flat" is a noun phrase that functions as the subject of the sentence (not an object). It is like saying "The flatness is something I can't believe."

The example I chose from your context, "LOC filters etc." confused some readers. I should have used another example, such as "that an active process is sensitive to your defined goals, etc."

Fuad Yahya
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 36
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks, Fuad, I do understand your point I believe. It's like saying (clumsily) "That the earth is flat is something I can't believe." where "that the earth is flat" is an object and a noun phrase, and hence it would be correct to place it after "due to".


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Tony M: It is necessary even grammatically, as soon as 'that' is used, since the object would otherwise become the verb 'filters', which it cannot be; otherwise, one would have to say "is due to the LOC's filtering..." / Can 'that' be a noun?
23 mins
  -> "the filtering" and "that the LOC filters" are both nouns. They both function in exactly the same way, except that when preceded by "due to," we idiomatically expect "the fact" if what follows is a noun phrase in the form of a sentence preceded by "that."

disagree  Madeleine MacRae Klintebo: Think you might have missed this bit in Nesrin's posting "(where "filters" is the verb)". Also it was not "that the LOC filters", rather "that LOC filters".
54 mins
  -> "Filters" is the verb, as Nesrin stated. That is why "LOC filters" is a full sentence, and "that LOC filters" is a noun pharse, which functions in exactly the same way as "the filtering." I read all the examples provided by Nesrin, not just the first one.

neutral  Jim Tucker (X): Interesting point. The problem is this: a noun and a noun phrase are not entirely interchangeable. //I would suggest that you are forcing the point by calling it idiomatic - if it follows a regular pattern (as here), it's not an idiomatic phenomenon.
16 hrs
  -> You are right. A noun and a noun phrase may sometimes fail to be interchangeable, due to ingrained habits of language that have nothing to do with strict grammar. The force of idiomatic usage is such that it can trump grammar.

disagree  David Moore (X): "Owing to THAT (+ presonal pronoun + verb etc.) is an incorrect construction.
16 hrs
  -> It is an incorrect construction (idiomaticaly, that is). It just sounds awful (to those who have good ears), doesn't it. Thank you.

disagree  Cilian O'Tuama: Nesrin's 3 examples all need to be corrected because they're not proper English// But that's my point, they are indeed also grammatically incorrect
1 day 8 hrs
  -> Nesrin's 3 examples all need to be corrected because they're not proper English. They all fail to observe to correct idiomatic construction, even if they follow "grammar by the book." In my illustration, however, I should have chosen a different example.
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