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commission rogatoire

English translation: rogatory commission

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French term or phrase:commission rogatoire
English translation:rogatory commission

01:19 Jul 17, 2003
French to English translations [PRO]
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French term or phrase: commission rogatoire
This term occurrs in a legal document. Can anyone recommend the accepted translation in U.S. English?
Mary Quinn
United States
Local time: 07:19
rogatory commission, rogatory letter
Explanation:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/481224

“commission rogatoire”

Had the term been intended to mean “rogatory letter”, then I suspect that the term “letter rogatoire” would have been used. That said, I have found the term with this meaning on the Canadian Ministry of Justice site. What I’m unsure of with regard to that particular rendering is that it refers to the procedure, the means by which the end is achieved and not the authority by which the procedure initiated. However, I looked in the Merriam Webster dico and found that in English too, “commission” can be used perfectly in that context. This morning I have learnt something. Thank you to the others! COnfirmed also by my Dalloz FR/FR legal dictionary which desdcribes the term as being "un acte par lequel...".

I’m going ahead with my posting anyway as my findings and sources may be of use to you.

Lastly, a couple of years ago, I was called upon to give a witness statement in a criminal case, the police having contacted me under the terms of a “commission rogatoire” issued by the investigating magistrate handling the case.

Never the less and in spite of my lack of knowledge about the letter possibility, without further information, the safest translation would probably “rogatory commission”. Playing it safe does not necessarily mean that you get the right answer though and we are seriously lacking in context here. The most useful way to post is to paste up an extract of the original containing the term and providing any background information which may help provide a fuller picture. A few lines often suffice.


A - FRANCE

1 - http://www.justice.gouv.fr/motscles/mcc28.htm

Commission rogatoire :

Mission donnée par un juge à un autre juge ou à un officier de police judiciaire de procéder en son nom à des mesures d'instruction : audition, perquisition, saisie...

Commission rogatoire internationale :

Mission donnée par un juge à toute autorité judiciaire relevant d'un autre État de procéder, en son nom, à des mesures d'instruction ou à d'autres actes judiciaires.

2 - www.info-france-usa.org/news/statmnts/2003/ France_Moujahideen_Iran061703.asp

Regarding the operation launched this morning, it was carried out in the context of a rogatory commission issued by Judge Bruguière.



B – CANADA

1 - http://www.justice.gouv.qc.ca/francais/sujets/glossaire/comm...

La commission rogatoire est une procédure par laquelle un tribunal fait appel à un autre tribunal pour un acte de procédure ou d’instruction dont il ne peut se charger.


2 - http://www.justice.gouv.qc.ca/english/sujets/glossaire/comm-...

The rogatory letter is a procedure by which a court calls upon another court for a civil process or investigation which it cannot undertake.

3 - web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/rules/34ef.html

Ordonnance de commission rogatoire et de letter rogatoire.


C – MEANING

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

(Extract : “commission”)

1 a : a formal written warrant granting the power to perform various acts or duties b : a certificate conferring military rank and authority; also : the rank and authority so conferred

2 : an authorization or command to act in a prescribed manner or to perform prescribed acts : CHARGE

3 a : authority to act for, in behalf of, or in place of another b : a task or matter entrusted to one as an agent for another


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Summary of answers provided
4 +3Commission to examine witnesses
Ethele Salem Sperling
4 +2letter rogatory
Michael Powers (PhD)
5 +1rogatory letter
lenapires
3 +2request letter
Mumtaz
5letters rogatory commission
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
5rogatory letters
Nooz
4rogatory commission, rogatory letter
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
3official petition
Gillian Hargreaves (X)
Summary of reference entries provided
commission rogatoire
Peter Scott

Discussion entries: 3





  

Answers


2 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
Commission to examine witnesses


Explanation:
But we also say:
Rogatory commission
Commission to take evidence
Commission for examination

Ethele Salem Sperling
United States
Local time: 04:19
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in pair: 51

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  verbis
9 mins
agree  margaret caulfield: This seems to be the USA term (but, definitely, more text is required to be exact).
1 hr
agree  Jean-Luc Dumont: rogatory commission
1 hr
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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
request letter


Explanation:
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Mumtaz
Local time: 14:19
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  margaret caulfield: Apparently, this is more British than American
1 hr
agree  Jean-Luc Dumont: neutral/agree - letter of request is right but UK English - www.archive.official-documents.co.uk/ document/cm41/4109/c-chap16.htm
1 hr
agree  Lanna Castellano: letter of request is used in the US, as well as letter rogatory
4 hrs
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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
letters rogatory commission


Explanation:
it's for court requests originating OUTSIDE France and directed at getting help from the French courts/police on legal/criminal matters

It's part of the Ministry of Justice, if I recall correctly...

Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in pair: 8576

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Jeanne Zang: You are right about its use, but it's either a letter or a commission, not both.
17 mins
neutral  Jean-Luc Dumont: agree with Jeanne - rogatory commission or letter
1 hr
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1 min   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
letter rogatory


Explanation:
context

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Note added at 2 mins (2003-07-17 01:21:44 GMT)
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LETTER ROGATORY
Interpol Guide-Letter Rogatory. ...
cbi.nic.in/interpol/roga.htm - 35k - Cached - Similar pages

Section 1781. Transmittal of letter rogatory or request
... Transmittal of letter rogatory or request (a) The Department of State has power,
directly, or through suitable channels - (1) to receive a letter rogatory ...
caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/28/parts/ v/chapters/117/sections/section_1781.html - 30k - Cached - Similar pages

INTER-AMERICAN CONVENTION ON LETTERS ROGATORY
... a. The letter rogatory is legalized, except as provided for in Articles
6 and 7 of this Convention. The letter rogatory shall be ...
www.oas.org/juridico/english/treaties/b-36.html - 26k - Cached - Similar pages

Criminal Resource Manual 275 Letters Rogatory
... A letter rogatory is a request from a judge in the United States to the judiciary
of a foreign country requesting the performance of an act which, if done ...
www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/ usam/title9/crm00275.htm - 6k - Cached - Similar pages

Letter Rogatory Countriess
Letter Rogatory Counties. Afghanistan, Albania, Angola, Armenia, Australia.
Austria, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Benin, Bulgaria. Brunei, Burkina ...
www.plsprocess.com/process/countries/letter.html - 36k - Cached - Similar pages

JUDICIAL ASSISTANCE - CROATIA
... The Ministry of Justice will then transmit the letter rogatory to the
pertinent court for action. Costs: Effective February 1, 1998 ...
travel.state.gov/croatia_legal.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages

JUDICIAL ASSISTANCE IN NORWAY
... In all other cases where personal service is desired, the documents should
be sent under cover of a letter rogatory through diplomatic channels. ...
travel.state.gov/norwayja.html - 8k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from travel.state.gov ]

Law Suit
... If the defendant is in a different jurisdiction, the judge requests the judicial
assistance of the competent judge of the place through a letter rogatory. ...
www.embassyofmexico.org/english/ consulados/Servext/law_suit.htm - 7k - Cached - Similar pages

The Hindu : CBI sends Letter Rogatory to Australia on wheat scam
... National | Previous | Next CBI sends Letter Rogatory to Australia
on wheat scam. By Our Special Correspondent. NEW DELHI, SEPT. 25. ...
www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/ 09/26/stories/0226000h.htm - 9k - Cached - Similar pages

The Hindu : Jayalalitha seeks copy of \'letter rogatory\'
... Jayalalitha seeks copy of \'letter rogatory\'. ... In the petition, she also sought
a copy of the orders passed by the Judge on the `letter rogatory\'. ...
www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2000/ 09/07/stories/0407223a.htm - 7k - Cached - Similar pages
[ More results from www.hinduonnet.com ]


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Note added at 7 mins (2003-07-17 01:27:13 GMT)
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This Internet Link shows it is an official letter:

Frog Admin FR Texts - [ Translate this page ]
... judiciaire pour intercepter un E-mail transitant par moi serait en fait la même que pour intercepter un COURRIER POSTAL: commision rogatoire *après*

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Note added at 11 mins (2003-07-17 01:31:19 GMT)
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Not a commission - just the letter rogatory

Convention sur l’obtention des preuves al’etranger en... - [ Translate this page ]
... peut déclarer que des magistrats de l’autorité requérante d’un autre Etat
contractant peuvent assister à l’exécution d’une commision rogatoire. ...
www.dr-hoek.de/droit-international-8.htm - 42k - Cached - Similar pages

Michael Powers (PhD)
United States
Local time: 07:19
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 168

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  margaret caulfield: This is absolutely correct (although I also think more text should be given), but it is a term used by the EEC, and not USA
1 hr
agree  Abdellatif Bouhid: International Law Commission : provisional list of legal terms related to the work of the Commission = Commission du droit international : liste provisoire de termes juridiques se rapportant aux travaux de la Commission. --
13 hrs
agree  Victor Foster: US State dept translates it this way.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
rogatory letter


Explanation:
or comission for rogatory letter, but I'm absolutely sure it is rogatory letter, in 2001 I worked for a Legal Department in a Portuguese Ministry where matters of these nature where dealt daily.

lenapires
Portugal
Native speaker of: Portuguese
PRO pts in pair: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jean-Luc Dumont: or commission
30 mins
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
rogatory letters


Explanation:
Doucet legal & Economic Dictionary gives Commission rogatoire = Letters rogatory.
(American) Dictionary of Legal Terms (Rutgers University School of Law) says:ROGAROEY LETTERS = a formal communication from a court in which an action is pending, to a foreign court, requesting that the testimony of a witness residing in such foreign jurisdiction be taken under the direction of the court, addressed and transmitted to the court making the request.

Nooz
France
Local time: 13:19
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 7
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
official petition


Explanation:
I would normally say letter rogatory, but perhaps the above would be better in the US

Gillian Hargreaves (X)
Local time: 12:19
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 575
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
rogatory commission, rogatory letter


Explanation:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/481224

“commission rogatoire”

Had the term been intended to mean “rogatory letter”, then I suspect that the term “letter rogatoire” would have been used. That said, I have found the term with this meaning on the Canadian Ministry of Justice site. What I’m unsure of with regard to that particular rendering is that it refers to the procedure, the means by which the end is achieved and not the authority by which the procedure initiated. However, I looked in the Merriam Webster dico and found that in English too, “commission” can be used perfectly in that context. This morning I have learnt something. Thank you to the others! COnfirmed also by my Dalloz FR/FR legal dictionary which desdcribes the term as being "un acte par lequel...".

I’m going ahead with my posting anyway as my findings and sources may be of use to you.

Lastly, a couple of years ago, I was called upon to give a witness statement in a criminal case, the police having contacted me under the terms of a “commission rogatoire” issued by the investigating magistrate handling the case.

Never the less and in spite of my lack of knowledge about the letter possibility, without further information, the safest translation would probably “rogatory commission”. Playing it safe does not necessarily mean that you get the right answer though and we are seriously lacking in context here. The most useful way to post is to paste up an extract of the original containing the term and providing any background information which may help provide a fuller picture. A few lines often suffice.


A - FRANCE

1 - http://www.justice.gouv.fr/motscles/mcc28.htm

Commission rogatoire :

Mission donnée par un juge à un autre juge ou à un officier de police judiciaire de procéder en son nom à des mesures d'instruction : audition, perquisition, saisie...

Commission rogatoire internationale :

Mission donnée par un juge à toute autorité judiciaire relevant d'un autre État de procéder, en son nom, à des mesures d'instruction ou à d'autres actes judiciaires.

2 - www.info-france-usa.org/news/statmnts/2003/ France_Moujahideen_Iran061703.asp

Regarding the operation launched this morning, it was carried out in the context of a rogatory commission issued by Judge Bruguière.



B – CANADA

1 - http://www.justice.gouv.qc.ca/francais/sujets/glossaire/comm...

La commission rogatoire est une procédure par laquelle un tribunal fait appel à un autre tribunal pour un acte de procédure ou d’instruction dont il ne peut se charger.


2 - http://www.justice.gouv.qc.ca/english/sujets/glossaire/comm-...

The rogatory letter is a procedure by which a court calls upon another court for a civil process or investigation which it cannot undertake.

3 - web2.gov.mb.ca/laws/rules/34ef.html

Ordonnance de commission rogatoire et de letter rogatoire.


C – MEANING

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

(Extract : “commission”)

1 a : a formal written warrant granting the power to perform various acts or duties b : a certificate conferring military rank and authority; also : the rank and authority so conferred

2 : an authorization or command to act in a prescribed manner or to perform prescribed acts : CHARGE

3 a : authority to act for, in behalf of, or in place of another b : a task or matter entrusted to one as an agent for another





    Reference: http://www.justice.gouv.fr/motscles/mcc28.htm
    usa.org/news/statmnts/2003/ France_Moujahideen_Iran061703.asp
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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Reference comments


2298 days
Reference: commission rogatoire

Reference information:
While I agree with the answers already given, a client French bank, considering a loan, refuses it automatically when there are "commissions rogatoires et enquêtes de police judiciaire" meaning ongoing action in another court against the applicant or police investigations. This may not be correct usage but is current.

Example sentence(s):
  • commissions rogatoires et enquêtes de police judiciaire
Peter Scott
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