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ساقی و باقی

English translation: serving (ones)- deserving (ones)

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Persian (Farsi) term or phrase:ساقی و باقی
English translation:serving (ones)- deserving (ones)
Entered by: Ali Fazel

17:06 Oct 14, 2014
Persian (Farsi) to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature
Persian (Farsi) term or phrase: ساقی و باقی
Hi,

Looking for two rhyming words with the same meaning as the above terms.

This is the title of a book which is about the culture and history of calligraphy and I would be more than thankful if anyone could share any ideas regarding the equivalents for the above terms, if they rhyme too (like the Persian equivalents) it is even better.

Thanks in advance for putting your time.
Hosein H
Iran
Local time: 07:13
serving (ones)- deserving (ones)
Explanation:
اگر باقی به معنی بقیه (یعنی یک نفر ساقی در مقابل بقیه (غیر ساقی )) بااشد:
(the) serving (one) - (the) deserving (one)

اگر باقی به معنای بقا یابنده و فناگریز باشد:
(The serving (one) - (the) preserving (one)
The parentheses indicate cases you can manipulate to fit your goal/contex.

Please see a case from the corpus in the light green box in the middle of the following page:
http://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=serving&typeofrhym...
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Ali Fazel
Iran
Local time: 07:13
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Summary of answers provided
5Cupbearer and Eternal one
Mohammad Reza Sabeti Zadeh
5Server and Served
Edward Plaisance Jr
5 -1serving (ones)- deserving (ones)
Ali Fazel
4 -1The Bartender and the Others
Mohammadkarim Tahmasbi


Discussion entries: 4





  

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31 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
serving (ones)- deserving (ones)


Explanation:
اگر باقی به معنی بقیه (یعنی یک نفر ساقی در مقابل بقیه (غیر ساقی )) بااشد:
(the) serving (one) - (the) deserving (one)

اگر باقی به معنای بقا یابنده و فناگریز باشد:
(The serving (one) - (the) preserving (one)
The parentheses indicate cases you can manipulate to fit your goal/contex.

Please see a case from the corpus in the light green box in the middle of the following page:
http://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=serving&typeofrhym...


Ali Fazel
Iran
Local time: 07:13
Native speaker of: Native in Persian (Farsi)Persian (Farsi)
PRO pts in category: 52

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Mohammad Reza Sabeti Zadeh: respectfully, the word باقی that you translated it into "Deserving" means "Someone whom are Eternal", I mean کسی که خود را جاودانه و یا خود را در مرتبه خدایی می داند
1 day 13 hrs
  -> Thank you! please see the discussion.
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
The Bartender and the Others


Explanation:
In our university course, "saghi" was translated into "bartender." Though I didn't like the term, this word has become popular. So the best translation could be "The Bartender and the Others."

Mohammadkarim Tahmasbi
Poland
Local time: 05:43
Native speaker of: Native in Persian (Farsi)Persian (Farsi)

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Edward Plaisance Jr: I would agree that I do not like "bartender"...totally different context and connotation
22 hrs
disagree  Mohammad Reza Sabeti Zadeh: respectfully, the word باقی that you translated it into "Others" means "Someone whom are Eternal", I mean کسی که خود را جاودانه و یا خود را در مرتبه خدایی می داند
1 day 10 hrs
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15 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
Cupbearer and Eternal one


Explanation:
After seeking in literal text such as Shakespeare, Poetry, Sonnets and Quotations of Woody Allen; the rhyming word that you want was no gain to access.

I can offer:

cupbearer:
one who has the duty of filling and handing around the cups in which wine is served

Cup-bearers in Greek myth
Hêbê
Hêbê is the daughter of Zeus and Hera and is shown doing her cup-bearer duties inHomer's Iliad:

Eternal:
adjective: tiresomely long; seemingly without end
Example: "The wait seemed eternal"
adjective: lasting for an indefinitely long period of time
adjective: continuing forever or indefinitely
Example: "Eternal truths"



Mohammad Reza Sabeti Zadeh
Iran
Local time: 07:13
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in Persian (Farsi)Persian (Farsi)
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Ali Fazel: The asker asked for "rhyming words"
23 hrs
  -> Thanks, Rhyming words could not be found in all languages. the meaning of the last part that you and the other colleague said is "Other" not "Eternal".
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1 day 1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
Server and Served


Explanation:
Since you are looking for a book title, I think we can take some liberty with the translation, although this is not really a lot of liberty.

There is nothing in English that rhymes.

ساقی is usually translated as "wine-bearer" or "cup-bearer"...but here I just chose "server" so we can connect it to "served" ...which I think is a reasonably good equivalent for باقی in this context.

If you really need to include می in the context, we could also say "Wine Server and Served"

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Note added at 1 day1 hr (2014-10-15 18:49:09 GMT)
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Note: I don't think we can capture all the meanings of باقی here in English

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Note added at 3010 days (2023-01-11 03:12:21 GMT) Post-grading
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Based on recent feedback, I would like to suggest:
Source-bearer and source

Edward Plaisance Jr
Local time: 23:43
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 554

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Mohammad Reza Sabeti Zadeh: respectfully, the word باقی that you translated it into "Served" means "Someone whom are Eternal", I mean کسی که خود را جاودانه و یا خود را در مرتبه خدایی می داند
11 hrs
  -> see Discussion
agree  ZaraHoushmand: I found my way here looking for clarification of a passage in Molana where baghi apparently means an eternal spring, source of what the saghi is serving. I think the sense of "server and served" may be on the wrong track here.
3005 days
  -> thanks...see my revised suggestion
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