в степени (1 - 2/5) = 0,6

English translation: degree of inclusion

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Russian term or phrase:	в степени
English translation:	degree of inclusion
Entered by:	Susan Welsh

12:10 Jun 30, 2015

Russian to English translations [PRO]
Science - Mathematics & Statistics / math in an article on psychology/linguistics

Russian term or phrase: в степени (1 - 2/5) = 0,6

These "units" and the five "attributes" have to do with Vygtoskyian psychology of the relationship between word and meaning.

Такое свойство единицы, как «быть частью» какой-либо системы, т.е. «быть включенной» в ее функционирование или развитие, является необходимым, но не достаточным признаком единицы. Если у части системы отсутствуют другие признаки единицы, например, два из пяти признаков, то такая часть является единицей системы ***в степени (1 - 2/5) = 0,6, а в степени 0,4 она единицей не является.*** Продолжая обсуждение первого признака единицы, приведем одно из основных определений, которое Л.С. Выготский дал этому понятию: «Под единицей мы подразумеваем такой продукт анализа, который в отличие от элементов обладает всеми основными свойствами, присущими целому, и который является далее неразложимыми живыми частями этого единства.»

I know that в степени usually means "to the power of," but can't make sense out of that sentence.

My draft:
If a part of the system lacks other attributes of a unit, for example, two out of the five attributes, this part is a unit of the system to the power of (1−2/5) = 0.6, but 0.4 power is not a unit.

(which makes no sense)

Susan Welsh KudoZ activity Questions: 524 (none open) (22 closed without grading) Answers: 462 United States
Local time: 00:21

see expalanation below

Explanation:
This isn't really mathematical, it's a qualitative argument that I suggest phrasing as something like "this unit's degree of inclusion is (1 - 2/5) = 0.6"

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Possibly (lexemic) class membership is what is being referred to?

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I have no idea to what extent Vygotsky used "fuzzy membership" but that is [possibly related.

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Fuzzy sets and logic are quite reputable :-) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нечёткое_множество

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Well done! My first reaction (a long time ago) was much the same as yours. It's currently used for quite interesting things in linguistics e.g. Marine De Cock discusses the modifier "more or less" in this context.

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I've worked all my life in Maths & Stats. Once one can identify the concept, it tends to be relatively straightforward to carry it across. One doesn't have niggly issues like Ambiguity, Register, Grammar etc to worry about :-)

Selected response from:

DLyons
Ireland
Local time: 05:21

Grading comment

Thanks! (For a guy who works in Spanish and French, which I don't, you certainly seem to turn up in every language pair that I do work in!)
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

one minus two fifths equals six tenths. i.e. these are NOT exponents/powers

Mikhail Kropotov

3 +1

see expalanation below

DLyons

to the degree / to the extent

Amy Lesiewicz

5 -2

See explanation

Alexander Teplitsky

Discussion entries: 5

Answers

3 mins confidence:

to the degree / to the extent

Explanation:
I don't think it represents a mathematical operator here, but just as a measure of "belonging" in this case.

Amy Lesiewicz
United States
Local time: 00:21
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

3 mins confidence:

one minus two fifths equals six tenths. i.e. these are NOT exponents/powers

Explanation:
в степени here means to a certain degree / extent

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grammar parsing at the end of the sentence:

... this part is a unit of the system to 60% degree (1 -- 2/5 = 3/5), and not a unit to 40%.

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perhaps the term "belonging index" may be used:

it's belonging index is 0.6 (1 -- 2/5 = 3/5)

Mikhail Kropotov
Germany
Local time: 06:21
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Russian
PRO pts in category: 124

30 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -2

See explanation

Explanation:
Let's look at the meaning first: in this example, единица системы имеет 5 характеристик. Если, например, две из них отсутствуют, то мы говорим, что это часть единицы в степени (1 - 2/5). [Любая другая часть единицы не будет равна 1^(2/5)], поэтому 1^0,4 не равна 1^0,6. Теперь, выскажем ту же мысль по английски: If the 1 unit of the system has 5 characteristics, than to the part of the unit, that has only 3 of them we assign the value of (1 - 2/5) = 0.6. No other part of the unit (e.g. 1^0.4) will have this value.

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we assign the value of power (1 - 2/5) = 0.6 (miss one word)

Alexander Teplitsky
Local time: 00:21
Works in field
Native speaker of: Russian

Notes to answerer

Asker: So you're putting "power" back in, unlike the other two answerers. I'm a mathematical illiterate, but to me "power" is when you multiply a number by itself, so two to the third power = 8. I don't see how to fit this concept into the sentence.

5 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

see expalanation below

DLyons
Ireland
Local time: 05:21
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 28

Grading comment

Thanks! (For a guy who works in Spanish and French, which I don't, you certainly seem to turn up in every language pair that I do work in!)

Notes to answerer

Asker: Yes, that's right (class membership). He doesn't talk about "fuzzy membership," but the author of the article about Vygotsky talks about fuzzy logic and fuzzy set models. (Which sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me, but that's beside the point.)

Asker: Now I get it! (from the EN Wikipedia on fuzzy sets): "It has been suggested that Zadeh's ethnicity is an example of a fuzzy set because 'His father was Turkish-Iranian (Azerbaijani) and his mother was Russian. His father was a journalist working in Baku, Azerbaijan in the Soviet Union...Lotfi was born in Baku in 1921 and lived there until his family moved to Tehran in 1931.' "

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