Bezit van staat

English translation: Possession of status

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Dutch term or phrase:Bezit van staat
English translation:Possession of status
Entered by: Richard Purdom

14:28 Nov 29, 2016
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
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Dutch term or phrase: Bezit van staat
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezit_van_staat

and more precisely 'het kind heeft bezit van staat ten opzicht van zijn vader'

thanks for any help
Richard Purdom
Portugal
Local time: 02:09
Possession of status
Explanation:
This document for the French school of judges, translating the French concept, calls it several times (page 5, 7..) 'possession of status'.

Same at the 2nd link of the legal conferencve.

I also do not see the term wide online use of '"possession of legal status" being used in the UK or USA for parental relationships as would have to be the case, otherwise it would be inventing a new concept. But I see the 'possession of status" being used a lot (for parental relationships) in international legal literature in English.
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Peter Leeflang
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Local time: 21:09
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thx for your help
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Summary of answers provided
5possession of legal status
W Schouten
4Possession of status
Peter Leeflang
Summary of reference entries provided
Jurlex fwiw
writeaway
refs
Michael Beijer

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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
possession of legal status


Explanation:
the child has (possession of) legal status with regard to his father

W Schouten
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Asker: thanks, but see https://books.google.pt/books?id=uhJ7ykjteLsC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=the+child+has+possession+of+legal+status+with+regard+to+his+father&source=bl&ots=5ccHTFzAP0&sig=qzWdzDPX4j7I6rZLmyM6ohcQd-E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzueDrl87QAhWCchQKHRo1CQ0Q6AEIOzAF#v=onepage&q=the%20child%20has%20possession%20of%20legal%20status%20with%20regard%20to%20his%20father&f=false


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Lianne van de Ven: Paraphrased: child has legal status (of relationship) as a child of this father. I think it is (very) closely related to the French possession d'état.
1 hr

disagree  Peter Leeflang: see my own interpretation, which means it is not necessarily 'legal'. It can also be by virtue of social appearance and in France they also use that broad concept.
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Possession of status


Explanation:
This document for the French school of judges, translating the French concept, calls it several times (page 5, 7..) 'possession of status'.

Same at the 2nd link of the legal conferencve.

I also do not see the term wide online use of '"possession of legal status" being used in the UK or USA for parental relationships as would have to be the case, otherwise it would be inventing a new concept. But I see the 'possession of status" being used a lot (for parental relationships) in international legal literature in English.


    Reference: http://www.ejtn.eu/PageFiles/14775/Written%20paper_France.pd...
    https://assets.hcch.net/docs/bb90cfd2-a66a-4fe4-a05b-55f33b009cfc.pdf
Peter Leeflang
United States
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Reference comments


3 hrs peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: Jurlex fwiw

Reference information:
bezit van staat
possession of legal status

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Note added at 3 hrs (2016-11-29 18:08:44 GMT)
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IATE:
Family law [CJUE] Full entry
NL
bezit van staat

EN
possession of status

status by habit and repute (Obsolete)



en
Note The concept has no equivalent in UK law, though in Scotland the presumption of paternity by acknowledgment and registration (Law Reform (Parent and Child ) Act 1986 Section 5) is similar. "Possession of status" is defined as a juridical situation of a person exercising de facto the rights and obligations pertaining to a given civil status as though that person were truly the titulary of such status (Termiumplus). "Status by habit and repute" is used on the analogy of marriage by cohabitation with habit and repute (abolished in Scotland, though not retrospectively, by the Family Law (Scotland) Act 2006).

Term possession of status
Reliability 4 (Very reliable)
Term Ref. Termiumplus (Canada) www.btb.gc.ca/btb.php... [19.04.2011]
Term Note Origin of the reference: Term commonly used in CA
Creation date (CuriaTerm): 02/02/2010
Modification date (CuriaTerm): 19/04/2011
Validation date (CuriaTerm): 07/04/2011

Date 05/02/2016

Term status by habit and repute (Obsolete)
Reliability 2 (Minimum reliability)
Term Ref. Family Law (Scotland) Act 2006 [Reference to the concept which led to the creation of the term. It does not contain the exact term.] [19.04.2011]
Term Note Origin of the reference: Legislation UK_Scotland [Reformulated or adjusted term]
Creation date (CuriaTerm): 02/02/2010
Modification date (CuriaTerm): 19/04/2011
Validation date (CuriaTerm): 07/04/2011

Date 05/02/2016

writeaway
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Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Michael Beijer
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Reference: refs

Reference information:
Le Docte (online):
bezit van staat [burgerlijk recht] =
FR: possession (f) d’état
EN: possession of status; facts in proof of the civil status
DE: Besitz (m) des Familienstandes; Statusbesitz m

JurLex:
bezit van staat =
possession of legal status

Michael Beijer
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