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English term or phrase:part of the students was...
English translation:some of the students were...
Entered by: Henrique Serra
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13:20 Apr 29, 2003
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Art/Literary / correct verb agreement
English term or phrase: one part of the students were...
Please help my ignorance. What is the correct agreement form?

Part of the students were submitted to a difficult exam; the other part were given an easy one.

In the first clause the subject is "part", not "the students", right? So, should I write "part of the students was submitted..."?

What would be the correct verb agreement for the second clause? "The other part was given an easy one"?

Mayday, Mayday, HELP!
Henrique Serra
Local time: 02:54
part + plural of countable nouns...
Explanation:
... is not a good combination in English - in fact I'd say it was grammatically incorrect.

Part works with a single entity that can be divided up e.g. part of the cake.
part of the student body (body is a single entity).

In your case you could either say:

part of the group were made to sit a difficult exam....

or

some of the students were made to.....
Selected response from:

Dan Brennan
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:54
Grading comment
Thank you for your explanation/point of view, Dan. I did change my translation accordingly.

Thanks also to all others who participated.

Henrique
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +4part + plural of countable nouns...
Dan Brennan
5 +1was
Kemal Mustajbegovic
4 +2if it's part, then it should be singular in both clauses
Mary Worby
4 +2some of the students were
jerrie
5 -2Were
Empty Whiskey Glass


  

Answers


2 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
some of the students were


Explanation:
Some of the students/a percentage of the students were given a difficult exam and some of the students/a percentage of the students were given an easy exam.

The verb relates to the students, who are plural.

jerrie
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:54
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 773

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Mary Worby: But technically it should be a percentage was, so the some/other option is safer! ;-)
10 mins
  -> some definitely is the safest (and most popular!) option!

agree  Bin Zhang
7 days
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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +4
part + plural of countable nouns...


Explanation:
... is not a good combination in English - in fact I'd say it was grammatically incorrect.

Part works with a single entity that can be divided up e.g. part of the cake.
part of the student body (body is a single entity).

In your case you could either say:

part of the group were made to sit a difficult exam....

or

some of the students were made to.....

Dan Brennan
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:54
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 137
Grading comment
Thank you for your explanation/point of view, Dan. I did change my translation accordingly.

Thanks also to all others who participated.

Henrique

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tony M: Hear, hear, Dan! Couldn't agree more!
13 mins

agree  walzl: part of the group was made....singular form, not were
23 mins
  -> You're definitely right in the strictest grammatical sense, but it seems to be one of those areas that has become blurred, I think were is just about acceptable, but it is touch and go

agree  wendyzee: i would just add a description to group so 'part of the group of students...'
31 mins

agree  Bin Zhang
7 days
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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
if it's part, then it should be singular in both clauses


Explanation:
But to avoid the slightly stilted phasing ...

Some of the students were ... the others were

HTH

Mary

Mary Worby
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:54
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 164

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sarah Ponting: yes, in theory because part is singular, however I agree that it sounds awkward and would solve the problem as you suggest
6 mins

agree  Tony M
12 mins
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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
was


Explanation:
"Part of the students" is a subject in this sentence therefore 3. person singular. The same with the other part of the sentence "the other part was given..."

Cheers!

Kemal Mustajbegovic
Local time: 13:54
Native speaker of: Native in CroatianCroatian
PRO pts in pair: 12

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Marie Scarano
5 mins

agree  walzl
21 mins

disagree  wendyzee: rfer to dan's explanation of the usage of 'part'
29 mins
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -2
Were


Explanation:
Part of the students were ... is correct.
Similar sentence below:

The study, Attitudes to Debt, identified a GROUP OF STUDENTS WHO WERE undecided about whether to enter higher education or not.


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Note added at 2003-04-29 13:56:45 (GMT)
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oops, wrong example :)
sorry


    Reference: http://education.guardian.co.uk/students/story/0,9860,888190...
Empty Whiskey Glass
Local time: 07:54
Native speaker of: Native in BulgarianBulgarian
PRO pts in pair: 57

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Tony M: Different case grammatically --- the 'who' introduces the new, plural subject
8 mins

disagree  Andy Watkinson: Must agree with Dusty. The antecedent for "were" is "students", not "group"
14 mins
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