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Law/Patents - History / English law, Middle Ages, taxation | | English term or phrase: complete | The reluctance of subsequent parliaments to grant unconditional
supply was even more marked. The parliament of 1445-6 at first
granted only half a tenth and fifteenth. Later, when a further
one and a half tenths and fifteenths were granted, the rate of
allowance for impoverished towns was raised to Ł6,000 for each
complete tenth and fifteenth (i.e. Ł9,000 for that grant). Further
measures of appropriation for household expenses, this time on
the issues of wardships, marriages and vacant temporalities were
made in the parliament which first met on 12 February 1449.
Moreover, this assembly not only restricted its grant to a mere
half tenth and fifteenth (less Ł3,000) but was emboldened to demand
a large-scale resumption as the price for any further grant. Its
persistent agitation for on act of resumption finally led to the
dissolution of this parliament at Winchester on 16 July 1449.
(B. P. Wolffe, Acts of Resumption 1399-1495)
What is the precise meaning of COMPLETE in this context? How is the tax and allowance calculated? Many thanks for your suggestions. |
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| | one whole unit (not a fraction or a multiple) | Explanation:
Tenth and fifteenth (desime and quinsime) were the rates of taxation on movable goods levied from the 1330s onwards in England. They refer to proportions of the value of the goods: one-tenth (1/10) or one-fifeenth (1/15). The tenth was paid by towns represented in parliament, and the fifteenth by shires (not represented in parliament).
The respective rates were set as some fraction or multiple of the tenth and fifteenth: so here we have half a tenth and fifteenth (which amounts to a twentieth and a thirtieth) and one and a half tenths and fifteenths (three-twentieths and a tenth, respectively).
So a complete tenth and fifteenth just means exactly one whole tenth and fifteenth, neither a fraction (less) nor a multiple (more).
http://tudorhistory.org/glossaries/t/tenth_and_fifteenth.htm...
http://books.google.es/books?id=FSvAegniXsUC&pg=PA288&lpg=PA...
http://books.google.es/books?id=zhEn77SlKU4C&pg=PR25&lpg=PR2...
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I did not address the question of the allowances mentioned in the text, and how they were calculated. These allowances, also known as "reliefs" or "abatements", were sums distributed among impoverished towns, as the text implies. So when parliament agreed that the towns and shires would contribute more in tax (one and half tenths and fifteenths instead of a half: three times as much), the allowance was correspondingly raised, and was linked to the tax rate: £6000 per whole/complete tenth and fifteenth contributed. This sum (a great deal of money in that period) was a total to be distributed among towns according to need. But this way of calculating the allowance (a rebate, if you like) applies only to this particular period.
For further details on this, see http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=15722 . |
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2 hrs confidence:   full (tenth)
Explanation:
They want to imply total amount but it is already a fraction, so they mean a full fraction in this case it is a cut-off point...
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57 mins confidence: peer agreement (net): +7 one whole unit (not a fraction or a multiple)
Explanation:
Tenth and fifteenth (desime and quinsime) were the rates of taxation on movable goods levied from the 1330s onwards in England. They refer to proportions of the value of the goods: one-tenth (1/10) or one-fifeenth (1/15). The tenth was paid by towns represented in parliament, and the fifteenth by shires (not represented in parliament).
The respective rates were set as some fraction or multiple of the tenth and fifteenth: so here we have half a tenth and fifteenth (which amounts to a twentieth and a thirtieth) and one and a half tenths and fifteenths (three-twentieths and a tenth, respectively).
So a complete tenth and fifteenth just means exactly one whole tenth and fifteenth, neither a fraction (less) nor a multiple (more).
http://tudorhistory.org/glossaries/t/tenth_and_fifteenth.htm...
http://books.google.es/books?id=FSvAegniXsUC&pg=PA288&lpg=PA...
http://books.google.es/books?id=zhEn77SlKU4C&pg=PR25&lpg=PR2...
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I did not address the question of the allowances mentioned in the text, and how they were calculated. These allowances, also known as "reliefs" or "abatements", were sums distributed among impoverished towns, as the text implies. So when parliament agreed that the towns and shires would contribute more in tax (one and half tenths and fifteenths instead of a half: three times as much), the allowance was correspondingly raised, and was linked to the tax rate: £6000 per whole/complete tenth and fifteenth contributed. This sum (a great deal of money in that period) was a total to be distributed among towns according to need. But this way of calculating the allowance (a rebate, if you like) applies only to this particular period.
For further details on this, see http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=15722 .
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Asker: Thank you, as always, for your accurate explanation.
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