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back a pony

English translation: back a horse


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English term or phrase:back a pony
English translation:back a horse
Entered by: Liz Broomfield
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14:51 Jun 14, 2011
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English term or phrase: back a pony
"You want to replace the supplier-vendor relationship with a marriage relationship where you're their marketing-selling device. You literally try to get in bed with them to try to help them grow and prosper, because in the end run, that's the way you make your money.
If you position yourself as, "Hey, we're backing your pony. We're committed long term to see you be so much more successful, and we know that if you knew how to do it on your own, you'd do it. We chose you not just because of your net worth, not just because of your willingness. Because we saw that you had the openness and the desire to reach the true potential your organiza-tion, your credibility, your integrity, your reputation could establish in the market with the rightcontinual guidance, coaching, mentoring, training, assistance, and support."

"They have to demonstrate and validate that they can. If they say well, yeah; say okay, well I appreciate your saying that, but don't be offended, but if we're going to work together, particularly from the first time we may give you a special incentive, we want to make sure we're investing wisely; we're picking the right horse, or backing the right pony."

"And all you do is make sure that it's always out of a percentage of the money you make from the increased purchases, and you qualify why you can't give them 100 percent of what you makefrom your normal sales, since that's what you're livelihood's based on.
And if you say "Now if anyone else is willing to do that you should probably work with them. If they're not, and I'm the only person willing to invest long-term in you because I want to back your pony all the way through, because I want to grow with you, and I want to make sure thatyou're around, that you're successful, that you're vibrant, that you're a formidable competitor, that you're solid and very profitable, and I want to benefit along with you, I want to contribute and benefit, then I'll hope you are excited to begin this new mutually beneficial relationship." Now that's avery powerful distinction don't you think?"

"When you make a stay or leave decision, until that time you are committed. As a committed partner, as an equity holder, a stake holder, as somebody who has backed this pony, philosophicallyspeaking, you've backed their horse, you picked that shot and that's where you put your emotional,your financial, your life's work, you've put the fate of your career, you've put the fate of the last 16years, the fate of 8 or 10 ten years worth of medical school, the fate of your family and the fate of your involvement in the community in the outcome of this group, haven't you."
ionutzavram
back a horse
Explanation:
This is a metaphorical reference to betting, when you "back" a horse to win a race, i.e. you stake your money (or in this case, other things/reputation) on that particular horse winning. A pony is a small horse - you don't really back those as such as they don't take part in horse races, but it's clearly being used as a metaphor as the author refers to a horse shortly afterwards, i.e. pony is being used to avoid repetition of horse.
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Liz Broomfield
United Kingdom
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Summary of answers provided
4 +13back a horse
Liz Broomfield
4 +1support a fledglingMike Birch
3 -1ride a young "horse"
Vesna Maširević


Discussion entries: 2





  

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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +13
back a horse


Explanation:
This is a metaphorical reference to betting, when you "back" a horse to win a race, i.e. you stake your money (or in this case, other things/reputation) on that particular horse winning. A pony is a small horse - you don't really back those as such as they don't take part in horse races, but it's clearly being used as a metaphor as the author refers to a horse shortly afterwards, i.e. pony is being used to avoid repetition of horse.

Liz Broomfield
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  B D Finch: "Pony" can be used instead of "horse" as a deliberate diminutive, to indicate a casual and familiar attitude on the part of the speaker.
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agree  Jenni Lukac
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agree  Tony M: And 'pony' is insider jargon for a horse in betting circles. (Just as orchestral players may refer to a 'fiddle' instead of a 'violin' — a kind of inverted snobbery!)
16 mins
  -> Thank you! and yes, that's very true.

agree  Jim Tucker
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agree  Didier Fourcot: In understand "We're betting on you"
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agree  Stephanie Ezrol: to "play the ponies" in the US means to bet on horses at a racetrack or through an OTB site and is widely used
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agree  Lydia De Jorge
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agree  Jack Doughty
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agree  joaopina
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agree  Thayenga
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agree  jccantrell: Yep, in politics in the USA, you "backed the wrong horse" if your candidate lost.
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agree  Suzan Hamer
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agree  Phong Le
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19 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
ride a young "horse"


Explanation:
I would say the use of the word pony is fairly explained in the part to follow: "We're committed long term to see you be so much more successful"
They are offering their means to "train the young horse" - work with and support the promising supplier on its way to "winning the big races"

A metaphor derived from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_training#.22Backing.22_or...

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Note added at 27 mins (2011-06-14 15:18:49 GMT)
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The age that horses are first ridden, or "backed" (UK)

Vesna Maširević
Serbia
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in Serbo-CroatSerbo-Croat
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Asker: thank you!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Tony M: 'back' here doesn't mean to ride, but refers to the betting metaphor of staking money on. / BTW, a 'pony' isn't a young horse, but simply a breed of small size (or a small specimen of a normal-sized breed). Cf. Shetland / New Forest etc. ponies
4 mins
  -> See the Note + I am not convinced that the two rule each other out but thanks / Pony.. yes I know but still.. :)

neutral  Jim Tucker: Your overall interpretation is correct, but as TM says, "back" = "stake money for" rather than "ride"
25 mins
  -> Thanks. Yes I admit - using the literal interpretation as the Target term was a bad idea ;)
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
support a fledgling


Explanation:
A small business has a good idea. A bigger business, "an angel", brings along the capital to bring the idea to market as a finished product. "Dragon's Den", if you like.
There are two distinct meanings to "back" here:
1) to take a bet on - the angel is gambling;
2) to put a saddle on for the first time, similar to breaking in - the angel provides training and support.

Mike Birch
Local time: 02:12
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
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Asker: thank you!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Vesna Maširević: PS "rising star" and similar didn't really lead me in the right direction so, I failed to present my answer and I'm quite happy that you thought of "fledgling" :)
12 mins
  -> Thanks Vesna - largely derived from your own answer!
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Changes made by editors
Jun 17, 2011 - Changes made by Liz Broomfield:
Created KOG entryKudoZ term => KOG term
Jun 14, 2011 - Changes made by Tony M:
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