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English translation: steal someone's thunder


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English term or phrase:idiom or saying
English translation:steal someone's thunder
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17:50 Jul 15, 2004
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English term or phrase: idiom or saying
I am desperately looking for an English idiom or saying for a situation when hard work is done by a person but his companion or competitor succeeds in getting the fruits of this hard work and the former poor fellow just gets nothing for his toil and efforts. I could not locate a befitting idiom, hence seeking your help.

Thanks
Srishti
steal someone's thunder
Explanation:
is a possibility

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Idiom: steal someone\'s thunder

To present or use someone else\'s idea, plan, etc as one\'s own, thereby diverting attention from them and then wallow in the ensuing praise, adulation, etc.

Included in link - to steal a march on someone, also
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jerrie
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:50
Grading comment
Thanks to all of you. In fact, none of the suggestions is competent enough to replace the above expression. I think the linguistic and cultural gap between two languages is primarily responsible for absence of a similar idiom/saying in a different language. Anyway, this answer has got maximum number of agrees so she deserves to be rewarded. I am sincerely grateful to all other answers who have taken pains to help me in this respect.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +12steal someone's thunder
jerrie
5 +5XXX did all the work but YYY gets all the credit
Eng2Span
4 +2steal someone's glory
uFO
4 +1steal the showxxxsarahl
4steal someone's thunder - originLesley Clayton
4to pull a fast oneSusana Galilea
4just regular EnglishRHELLER
4hunted for anchovises but caught a whale
Nizamettin Yigit
4claim jumper, claim jumping
humbird
4A person used by someone else to perform an unpleasant job.
Ray Luo
3'they beat him to the chase' 'you beat me to the chase' etckellyn


  

Answers


4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +12
steal someone's thunder


Explanation:
is a possibility

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Note added at 5 mins (2004-07-15 17:56:22 GMT)
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Idiom: steal someone\'s thunder

To present or use someone else\'s idea, plan, etc as one\'s own, thereby diverting attention from them and then wallow in the ensuing praise, adulation, etc.

Included in link - to steal a march on someone, also


    Reference: http://www.allwords.com/word-steal.html
jerrie
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:50
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20
Grading comment
Thanks to all of you. In fact, none of the suggestions is competent enough to replace the above expression. I think the linguistic and cultural gap between two languages is primarily responsible for absence of a similar idiom/saying in a different language. Anyway, this answer has got maximum number of agrees so she deserves to be rewarded. I am sincerely grateful to all other answers who have taken pains to help me in this respect.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ltemes: excellent!
2 mins

agree  Christian: Brilliant!
9 mins

agree  Nanny Wintjens
14 mins

agree  Vicky Papaprodromou
16 mins

agree  Sonia Gomes: this is very appropriate
18 mins

neutral  Cilian O'Tuama: sounds good, but FWIW I don't think I've ever heard it before and I'm not sure I'd understand it. BTW Langenscheidt translates it as "taking the wind out of someone's sails"
21 mins
  -> The only reason I was able to get a link, was because this was the first thought that came to mind ... so obviously one this UKer has heard somewhere before!

agree  cbolton: Definitely used in American English.
22 mins

agree  Will Matter: yup, we use it a lot on this side of the pond.
24 mins

agree  Aisha Maniar: I've heard it used in the UK...
1 hr
  -> Thanks. It seems to fit the bill.

agree  Saleh Chowdhury, Ph.D.
1 hr

disagree  mannix: to steal someone's thunder is more a term of one-upmanship... not really treachery, e.g. when the bridesmaid dresses to outshine the bride
1 hr

agree  Asghar Bhatti
3 hrs

neutral  Charlie Bavington: the term exists (I'm BE) but agree with mannix - it's like when a couple announce their engagement at someone else's 30th birthday party - that kind of thing.
5 hrs

neutral  Julie Roy: I also agree with mannix; I don't see it as being appropriate in this case.
10 hrs

agree  Textklick: Am Heritage. Idioms Dico: "steal someone's thunder" Use or appropriate another's idea, especially to one's advantage, as in It was Harold's idea but they stole his thunder and turned it into a massive advertising campaign without giving him credi
13 hrs
  -> Merci bien, Monsieur le Clique ;-))

agree  Lesley Clayton: Yes. See my separate comment for the origin.
22 hrs

agree  Alfa Trans
3 days12 hrs
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
'they beat him to the chase' 'you beat me to the chase' etc


Explanation:
... I tried to buy some of their old pattern cabinets, but everyone else
had beat me to the chase and the cabinets were all spoken for. ...
www.stretcher.com/stories/990517g.cfm

... I was bothered for weeks when I found out someone had beat me to the chase in developing
a pasta strainer that drains through a detachable lid ($19.95 as seen ...
www.personal.psu.edu/amf229/whoiam.htm

(HA HA HA!!! the above example is perfect!!!)


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the example of the pasta strainer is so funny. the person is saying that they had already thought of the idea, but someone else began to market one first.

I also find it funny because I have had similar thoughts about products...

kellyn
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Cilian O'Tuama: Does that have anything to do with taking credit for your hard work? IMO that just means they were faster./Maybe my 'disagree' was a bit harsh
2 mins
  -> well, to me at least, 'steal thunder' and 'beat to the chase' are very similar in common usage. i feel that neither is perfect for what Srishti is asking, but my answer may be a helpful addition.

neutral  mannix: definitely means to arrive first, not to take credit for another's work
1 hr

neutral  Charlie Bavington: agree with Cilian and mannix, this is more a question of doing something before someone else does (the same thing)
5 hrs

neutral  Julie Roy: no, not quite there either...
10 hrs
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19 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
steal someone's glory


Explanation:
similar to stealing thunder

If only Rania had listened to protocol and I hadn't tried to steal her glory in being leader, we wouldn't have wound up in the three day coaster of hell that we did.


    Reference: http://www.gokugirl.com/fanfics/raina/cotn2.html
uFO
South Korea
Local time: 02:50

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Cilian O'Tuama: I've heard this one before, easily understood
6 mins
  -> thanks

neutral  jerrie: Isn't this more one-up-manship, rather than using someone else's ideas etc? 'you think that's good - well I've got something better' kind of thing?
1 hr
  -> no, it's when someone takes credit for someone else's work/achievements

agree  Elena Petelos
1 hr

neutral  Textklick: I'd understand this as meaning you misappropriated the kudos, irrespective of whether you did the work ;-)
13 hrs
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33 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +5
XXX did all the work but YYY gets all the credit


Explanation:
This is as how I see these types of situations addressed most often.


Minney did all the work but Mickey gets all the credit.

Eng2Span
United States
Local time: 01:50
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  kellyn: a good option
20 mins
  -> Thanks Kellyn!

neutral  jerrie: that's the meaning, but is this an idiom or saying?
52 mins
  -> It's hackneyed enough to where it is.

agree  xxxPRen: This is the best of all suggestions, in my opinion -most idiomatic by far
5 hrs
  -> Thanks Paula!

agree  FionaT: I think this is the best suggestion. I would perhaps use "take", if it was a deliberate act, i.e.: Mickey took the credit for Minney's work.
12 hrs
  -> Good point! Thanks!

agree  Mikhail Kropotov: it might be on the border of saying/regular English, but it's the most appropriate!
15 hrs
  -> Thanks SirReal!

agree  1982Hilary: I think this one is easy to understand.
5 days
  -> Thanks!
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39 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Cat's paw
A person used by someone else to perform an unpleasant job.


Explanation:
A person used by someone else to perform an unpleasant job.


Ray Luo
Local time: 06:50
Native speaker of: Native in ChineseChinese
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  RHELLER: is that an idiom?
1 hr

neutral  Cilian O'Tuama: is this relevant to the question?
3 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
hunted for anchovises but caught a whale


Explanation:

I think there are two possiblity here.
The first one for winner.
I can not think of anything but I came up with this.
hunted for anchovises but caught a whale because he damn got so lucky.

For the looser I can say:
He was fishing in wrong lake, considering it may not be winners mistake but his own.



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Or one can say;

XXX raised the orchard and YYY picked the apples


Nizamettin Yigit
Netherlands
Local time: 07:50
Native speaker of: Native in TurkishTurkish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  RHELLER: none of these are idiomatic
55 mins

neutral  Charlie Bavington: agree with Rita, to the extent that I've nver heard them. More to the point, for the anchovy/whale thing (which I like, even if you just made it up!), I would interpret as meaning a VERY different thing to the Asker's question. Sorry.
3 hrs
  -> there is no info askers preference to express the orchard raiser, or apple picker. That was my point... and Yes they are made up...
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
steal the show


Explanation:
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xxxsarahl
Local time: 22:50
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nancy Arrowsmith: often used in work context
15 hrs
  -> thanks Nancy!
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
claim jumper, claim jumping


Explanation:
Don't mistake this for restaurant chain in America, although still American origin. "Claim jumper" is very common idiom, but I twisted it a bit (in latter case) because it appears you are looking for a situation rather than a person (a victim of such act as you describe). OK, as you may know already, this is originated in Frontier days of American West. A horde of people were out there looking for gold. Then a person named X found a motherbode (spell??) after long hard, toiling works. In order to claim the gold mine as his, he has to file it to the governing authority. But Y got a wind of it, and filed before A did. Now you know what happened. X lost everything, Y got what? This happened way too often in Frotier West.
Hope you find proper direction based on my suggestiion (i.e. I am not claiming this is the one).

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Note added at 3 hrs 47 mins (2004-07-15 21:38:44 GMT)
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Correction -- But Y got a wind of it, and filed before \"A\" did. Now please replac this \"A\" to \"X\".

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A word or so for clarification. As you see \"claim jump\" is an act of theft. Thereby it takes a victim and it fit to the situarion you described.

humbird
United States
Local time: 23:50
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese, Native in EnglishEnglish
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
just regular English


Explanation:
he was tricked out of his share
he didn't get what he deserved
he was taken advantage of
his competitor got the better of him

RHELLER
Local time: 23:50
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 27
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
to pull a fast one


Explanation:
might be too generic, but would be understood in the right context/sentence



Source: The Collins English Dictionary © 2000 HarperCollins Publishers:

pull [pʊl]

23 pull a fast one (slang)
to play a sly trick


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Another similar idea...

Source: The Collins English Dictionary © 2000 HarperCollins Publishers:

pull the rug out from under
to betray, expose, or leave defenceless

Susana Galilea
United States
Local time: 00:50
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
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23 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
steal someone's thunder - origin


Explanation:
According to the Oxford Dictionary of Idioms, here is the definition.

Win praise for oneself by pre-empting someone else's attempt to impress.

The critic and playwright John Dennis (1657-1734) invented a new method of simulating the sound of thunder in the theatre, which he employed in his unsuccessful play 'Appius and Virginia'. Shortly after his play had finished its brief run, Dennis attended a performance of 'Macbeth' in which the improved thunder effect was used, and he is reported to have exclaimed in a fury: 'Damn them! They will not let my play run, but they steal my thunder.'

Lesley Clayton
France
Local time: 07:50
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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