Translation Proper

English translation: translation in the strict or true sense of the term

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English term or phrase:translation proper
Selected answer:translation in the strict or true sense of the term
Entered by: Charles Davis

19:14 Feb 1, 2015
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Art/Literary - Linguistics / Translation Studies
English term or phrase: Translation Proper
What is the meaning of translation proper in Roman Jakobson's definition of translation.
One classification is Interlingual translation or "translation proper" which means interpreting a text into another language.
Mariam Abdullah M3
translation in the strict or true sense of the term
Explanation:
What this means is that interlingual translation, interpreting a text from one language into another, is what the word "translation" normally refers to in a narrow or strict sense, as compared with other analogous processes that can be called "translation" in a broader sense, because they involve expressing the same meaning through a different set of signs, but are not strictly what we normally mean when we use the word. These other processes are intralingual "translation", that is, rewording or paraphrase, and intersemiotic "translation" or transmutation: interpreting verbal signs (words) by non-verbal signs.
http://culturalstudiesnow.blogspot.com.es/2011/10/roman-jako...

"proper
1.1 [postpositive] Strictly so called; in its true form:
'some of the dos and don’ts in espionage proper'"
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_eng...

"proper
5 [never before noun] understood in its most exact meaning
Does he live in Chicago proper or in the suburbs?"
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/prope...
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Charles Davis
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4 +6translation in the strict or true sense of the term
Charles Davis
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Not sure if this helps
Jonathan MacKerron

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translation proper
translation in the strict or true sense of the term


Explanation:
What this means is that interlingual translation, interpreting a text from one language into another, is what the word "translation" normally refers to in a narrow or strict sense, as compared with other analogous processes that can be called "translation" in a broader sense, because they involve expressing the same meaning through a different set of signs, but are not strictly what we normally mean when we use the word. These other processes are intralingual "translation", that is, rewording or paraphrase, and intersemiotic "translation" or transmutation: interpreting verbal signs (words) by non-verbal signs.
http://culturalstudiesnow.blogspot.com.es/2011/10/roman-jako...

"proper
1.1 [postpositive] Strictly so called; in its true form:
'some of the dos and don’ts in espionage proper'"
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_eng...

"proper
5 [never before noun] understood in its most exact meaning
Does he live in Chicago proper or in the suburbs?"
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/prope...

Charles Davis
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Reference: Not sure if this helps

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I think what is meant is a "traditional translation" i.e. a direct (and literal?) translation from language into another


    https://wordynumnum.wordpress.com/2013/09/08/on-intralingual-translation-and-how-it-can-shed-light-on-translation-proper/
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