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English translation: into the union


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English term or phrase:to the exclusion of all others
English translation:into the union
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06:00 Jun 21, 2010
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Religion / marriage
English term or phrase: to the exclusion of all others
'Marriage, according to the law of this country, is the union of one man with one woman voluntarily entered into for life ***to the exclusion of all others***'. This is the legal definition of marriage set down by Lord Penzance in 1866.

All other marriages or all other women or all other people? What is implied by the author?
Ana Juliá
Spain
Local time: 04:11
into the union
Explanation:
Those two persons are in(to) the union and no other persons take part in that union (no menage a trois, no site affairs of any of the two with a third person). The type of the union (same gender or not) is not surmised in the text - in 1866 nobody dared to think that there might be a same-sex union..
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meirs
Local time: 05:11
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Summary of answers provided
4 +6into the union
meirs
3 +2...all other types of unions (man man /woman woman)
Carolyn Gille


  

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36 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
to the exclusion of all other persons
into the union


Explanation:
Those two persons are in(to) the union and no other persons take part in that union (no menage a trois, no site affairs of any of the two with a third person). The type of the union (same gender or not) is not surmised in the text - in 1866 nobody dared to think that there might be a same-sex union..

meirs
Local time: 05:11
Native speaker of: Native in RomanianRomanian
PRO pts in category: 8
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jim Tucker: Yes, this conclusion is correct: the passage does not specify gender but was in the context of polygamy. BUT, same-sex unions were known even in the ancient world. Roman law even mentions them. This is also true of the Byzantine world: Adelphopoiia
3 hrs
agree  John Detre
6 hrs
agree  Robert Kleemaier: Whereas Carolyn has provided the literature research, Meirs gets my vote for the 'narrow' definition of the term union, which was in the context of Britain ca. 1866 (and not the ancient world).
7 hrs
agree  Tina Vonhof
8 hrs
agree  Alexandra Taggart: what about mother-in-law?
15 hrs
agree  Judith Hehir: Yes, to the exclusion of all other persons. These words are used in traditional ceremonies along with traditional marriage vows.
17 hrs
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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
...all other types of unions (man man /woman woman)


Explanation:
This comes up often as a same sex marriage issue... and has been changed in some countries:

The bill codifies a definition of marriage for the first time in Canadian law, expanding on the traditional common-law understanding of civil marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Bill C-38 defines civil marriage as “the lawful union of two persons to the exclusion of all others,” thus extending civil marriage to conjugal couples of the same sex.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2010-06-21 08:48:11 GMT)
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'to the exclusion of' comes from way before 1866. In the Bible it is also used when refering to God/Jesus/the Lord... that there is only one *to the exclusion of all other 'so called' Gods. That's why I think in this case it means a union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all other 'so called' unions (manman/womanwoman).

http://books.google.com/books?id=zK3SfS7HDzsC&pg=PA97&lpg=PA...'+mean%3F&source=bl&ots=dDpsB4x7yU&sig=I12B55gK4Cfg7kMdKq6QNaDCbU8&hl=en&ei=GCYfTI-tGozeOIzH5PAM&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAQ#

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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-06-21 09:04:23 GMT)
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James Wilde, the 1st Baron Penzance made the *to the exclusion of* statement while giving his ruling on a polygamy case. His motivation was to make clear that marriage is between a man and a woman, and excludes any other type of union (manman/womanwoman OR POLYGAMY).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wilde,_1st_Baron_Penzance


    Reference: http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Sites/LOP/LegislativeSummaries/Bills_...
    Reference: http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/page/marriagegetting_ma...
Carolyn Gille
Local time: 04:11
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jutta Scherer
9 mins
  -> Thanks Jutta
neutral  Jim Tucker: The Canadian law seems to be a rejection of "one man and one woman" rather than of "to the exclusion of all others", which -- as the polygamy context suggests -- refers to monogamy. (I think you make the first point but draw a different conclusion.)
5 hrs
  -> Hi Jim, I think you might be right... but in the end, the term I offer 'all other types of unions', can also be seen to include polygamous mariages.
agree  Stephanie Ezrol: to the exclusion of all other defintions of marriage, the historical reference makes it clear
5 hrs
  -> Thanks Stephanie
neutral  Tina Vonhof: I think it refers to monogamy.
9 hrs
  -> thanks anyway Tina!
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