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riad versus riyad (or riyâd)

English translation: house with an inner courtyard


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Arabic term or phrase:riad (in Morocco)
English translation:house with an inner courtyard
Entered by: Fuad Yahya
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11:45 Sep 3, 2002
Arabic to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Architecture / Moroccan houses and gardens
Arabic term or phrase: riad versus riyad (or riyâd)
I am translating a text on Moroccan gardens (and houses) from German to English. In this text, numerous references are made to riads and riyâds. I am not 100 % certain of the difference. Am I right in thinking that 'riad' to describe an urban house in a medina with its inner courtyard with a fountain, flowerbeds etc.? And that the 'riyad' or 'riyâd' as the German author has written is simply the inner courtyard? Also, which would be the most correct way of spelling this word in English?

I would be very grateful if someone could confirm this.

Many thanks in advance,


Sheila
Sheila Hardie
Local time: 05:09
Singular: ROWDHA; plural: RIYADH
Explanation:
The singular term ROWDHA means "garden" or "meadow." For instance, a kindergarten is called ROWDHAT ATFAL.

The plural is RIYADH, which also happens to be the name of the capital city in Saudi Arabia. It is interesting that the bank that is named after the city is spelled differently: BANK OF RIYAD (without the final H).

The word RIYADH is also commonly used as a boy's name. My cousin is named Riyadh.

So RIAYDH means "gardens," whether in a front yard, a bckyard, a courtyard, or in any other setting. It does not mean "house," whether urban or not.


Fuad

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Note added at 2002-09-03 13:20:35 (GMT)
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The combination DH is a conventional way for representing a peculiar Arabic consonant that sounds very similar to the letter D. The convention is not universally used. In many scholarly works, where printing techniques allow fancy orthography, the peculiar sound is distinguished from the regular D by placing a dot below or above the letter D, so the extra H would be eliminated.

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Note added at 2002-09-05 14:51:03 (GMT)
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Here is what my Moroccan friends at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center advised:

- The term is applied to the house with an inner courtyard, never to the courtyard itself.

- The spelling is immaterial. Just choose a spelling and stick to it.

- Nobody knows why the plural is used, but it is -- never the singular form ROWDHA.

- For the inner courtyard itself, the term JARDA (from the French term \"jardin\") is used.
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Fuad Yahya
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Thank you both very much, and Fuad in particular for all the efforts he went to. I am really grateful for your help. I have learned a lot! Sheila
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5 +2Singular: ROWDHA; plural: RIYADHFuad Yahya
4riad or riyad
Sami Khamou


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riad or riyad


Explanation:
In Arabic "Riad" or "Riyad" is the plural form of "Rawdha" which is defined as "a land rich in green plants"*. Therefore, it is a reference to the "Garden" not the house.
About the spelling "Riyad" is most commonly used. "Riad" is mostly used as a name for a male person.

Reference:
Almunjid in Language and Information - An Arabic-Arabic dictionary

Sami Khamou
Local time: 23:09
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Singular: ROWDHA; plural: RIYADH


Explanation:
The singular term ROWDHA means "garden" or "meadow." For instance, a kindergarten is called ROWDHAT ATFAL.

The plural is RIYADH, which also happens to be the name of the capital city in Saudi Arabia. It is interesting that the bank that is named after the city is spelled differently: BANK OF RIYAD (without the final H).

The word RIYADH is also commonly used as a boy's name. My cousin is named Riyadh.

So RIAYDH means "gardens," whether in a front yard, a bckyard, a courtyard, or in any other setting. It does not mean "house," whether urban or not.


Fuad

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Note added at 2002-09-03 13:20:35 (GMT)
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The combination DH is a conventional way for representing a peculiar Arabic consonant that sounds very similar to the letter D. The convention is not universally used. In many scholarly works, where printing techniques allow fancy orthography, the peculiar sound is distinguished from the regular D by placing a dot below or above the letter D, so the extra H would be eliminated.

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Note added at 2002-09-05 14:51:03 (GMT)
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Here is what my Moroccan friends at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center advised:

- The term is applied to the house with an inner courtyard, never to the courtyard itself.

- The spelling is immaterial. Just choose a spelling and stick to it.

- Nobody knows why the plural is used, but it is -- never the singular form ROWDHA.

- For the inner courtyard itself, the term JARDA (from the French term \"jardin\") is used.


    Al-Mawrid
Fuad Yahya
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
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Thank you both very much, and Fuad in particular for all the efforts he went to. I am really grateful for your help. I have learned a lot! Sheila

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sami Khamou: Both Fuad and myself are talking about the origin of the word "Riyad" and its use in general. But probably, in Morocco, it has been localized to mean "a house" or "a house" surrounded with a garden. We call be more educated if a Moroccan can respond.
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agree  AhmedAMS
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