tió de nadal

English translation: tió (log decorated at Xmas to resemble an animal, then beaten with sticks to encourage it to "discharge" sweets or presents)

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Catalan term or phrase:	tió
English translation:	tió (log decorated at Xmas to resemble an animal, then beaten with sticks to encourage it to "discharge" sweets or presents)
Entered by:	Berni Armstrong

18:46 Dec 13, 2001

Catalan to English translations [PRO]

Catalan term or phrase: tió de nadal

Last but not least: el tió de nadal. Who can offer a decent translation into English of this Catalan tradition of the GAME called tió? Someone tells me "blind man's buff" but ... Tió is also the log of wood where presents and sweets are concealed. The text is a little confusing as it mixes up both concepts: "moments abans de fer-lo cagar se li crema el morro i se'l rega amb vi. Després es pica ben fort tot cantant:
Tió, tió,
caga turró,
no caguis arengadas
que son salades,
caga torrons
que són molt bons.

Som l'hostia, tú!
:-)))) Paul

Paul Roige (X) KudoZ activity Questions: 339 (none open) (2 without valid answers) (1 closed without grading) Answers: 1936 Spain
Local time: 01:50

Mira abaix

Explanation:
Com en anglès no existeix jo el que faria és explicar el que és a la traducció, deixaria tió en català (entre cometes) i faria una petita explicació del que és.
Aquesta és la meva suggerència. Espero que t'ajudi.
Adéu

Selected response from:

Patricia Myers
United States
Local time: 16:50

Grading comment

Bé doncs, si no existeix doncs mira quina gràcia. Sabeu quina es la "traducció" de la PIÑATA espanyola en el Collins? Aquesta: "container hung up at parties to be beaten with sticks until sweets or presents fall out". O sigui: tió... 72 a 3 (lletres). Com estalviem els catalans, oi?
Mercès a tothom
:-)Paul
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Summary of answers provided

4 +1

Mira abaix

Patricia Myers

Chistmas surprise trunk???

Isabel Peralta

a cross between a Yule log and a piñata

Jon Zuber (X)

2 +1

Christmas Log

NLRC (X)

An option would be Yuletide log or Yule log, although I prefer Christmas log.

hgardner

Answers

7 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Mira abaix

Patricia Myers
United States
Local time: 16:50
Native speaker of:

Spanish,

Catalan
PRO pts in pair: 7

Grading comment

17 mins confidence:

Chistmas surprise trunk???

Explanation:
I would agree with Patricia, an explanation of this is required, but just in case you need to define it in English, there you have a suggestion. Si,els catalans sois la osti, tu!

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Note added at 2001-12-13 19:05:41 (GMT)
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sorry for my dreadful Catalan ortography!

Isabel Peralta
Spain
Local time: 01:50
Native speaker of:

Spanish
PRO pts in pair: 24

22 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Christmas Log

Explanation:
Depends on your audience - are you translating for children, in a book, an account of Catalan customs for adults, etc. Without knowing the context its difficult, but here goes my best shot at maintaining the tone and rhyme of the original, though not entirely the meaning:

Christmas Log, Christmas log
Let out your turron
Don't give us fish
Cause that's a salty dish
Give us a sweet treat
Turron and sweet meat

Espero que els ajudi.

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Note added at 2001-12-13 19:12:37 (GMT)
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Paul, encara que no t'agradi, no traduiria allo de cagar literalment. Coses de la cultura, ja saps. =)

NLRC (X)

1 hr confidence:

a cross between a Yule log and a piñata

Explanation:
Patricia is right, there's no English word, però la cosa més pròxima que tenim és el Yule log, que desafortunadament no caga res. I would put tió in italics, followed by the phrase I have above, then an explanation.

Jon Zuber (X)
PRO pts in pair: 110

2 hrs confidence:

An option would be Yuletide log or Yule log, although I prefer Christmas log.

Explanation:
There are many customs of Yuletide practiced by the Germans, the Celts, the Romans, and later much of the world under the guise of a Christian holiday.
One of the oldest customs is that of the Yule Log. A log of wood, usually Ash or Oak, is brought into the house. Carvings are placed on it to bring protection and luck to the house and every family member is allowed to make a wish upon it. The log is then placed on the hearth where it is to burn for no less than twelve hours and preferably until dawn. It's ashes and rekindling pieces are saved to place about the house or to be made into pendants for protection though out the year. This custom seems to date back to through the Roman Saturnalia and possibly even to ancient Egypt. This was well before the spread of Christianity although Christians have claimed that Martin Luther or Saint Benefice started the custom.

Note: Blind man's bluff isn't at all like the tio. Here's a like below that explains the game.

Reference: http://www.sedl.org/scimath/pasopartners/senses/lesson2a1.ht...
Reference: http://ladyhedgehog.hedgie.com/yule.html

hgardner

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