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English translation: passive vs active construction

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Chinese term or phrase:B花 vs 花B
English translation:passive vs active construction
Entered by: R. A. Stegemann
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10:38 Jan 26, 2004
Chinese to English translations [Non-PRO]
Linguistics / 中文文法
Chinese term or phrase: B大半花 (UTF-8)
The below sentence provides several important grammatical challenges that I will render in three separate questions

我的房租貴得很,每月的錢大半花在那裡。

Question 2: Is 每月的錢大半花 the passive contruction of 花大半的每月的錢? If not how does one explain the appearance of what is paid before the verb to spend?
R. A. Stegemann
Saudi Arabia
Local time: 09:04
over half of B is spent
Explanation:
you're on the right track about it being a passive construction. Though the active construction is: "花每月大半的錢". I don't really know how to explain it though, it just sounds right.

ex: 我花每月大半的錢在房租上。

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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs 37 mins (2004-01-27 16:16:28 GMT) Post-grading
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我每月花大半的錢在房租上。

This seems to say: I spend over half of the money on rent every month.
每月 becomes an adverb of some sort (every month) instead of an adjective (monthly income).
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Kvasir
Canada
Local time: 18:04
Grading comment
Well, Kvasir you captured this one hands down.

I have one plausible explanation for what you and others perceive to be the correct active rendering: it is generally frowned upon to use the conjoining particle 的 more than once in the same phrase, even when it would be meaningful to do so. This is just a guess though.

Would another possibility not be 我每用花太半的錢在房租上? If so, why did you choose the one that you did?



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4 +4over half of B is spent
Kvasir


  

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33 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
over half of B is spent


Explanation:
you're on the right track about it being a passive construction. Though the active construction is: "花每月大半的錢". I don't really know how to explain it though, it just sounds right.

ex: 我花每月大半的錢在房租上。

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 day 5 hrs 37 mins (2004-01-27 16:16:28 GMT) Post-grading
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我每月花大半的錢在房租上。

This seems to say: I spend over half of the money on rent every month.
每月 becomes an adverb of some sort (every month) instead of an adjective (monthly income).

Kvasir
Canada
Local time: 18:04
Native speaker of: Native in ChineseChinese
Grading comment
Well, Kvasir you captured this one hands down.

I have one plausible explanation for what you and others perceive to be the correct active rendering: it is generally frowned upon to use the conjoining particle 的 more than once in the same phrase, even when it would be meaningful to do so. This is just a guess though.

Would another possibility not be 我每用花太半的錢在房租上? If so, why did you choose the one that you did?



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agree  Lu Zou
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