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English translation: Described by Mister (Giulio) Aleni

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Chinese term or phrase:	艾思及先生述
English translation:	Described by Mister (Giulio) Aleni
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04:19 Oct 2, 2011

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Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / from Title page of Wushi Yanyu of G. Aleni (1645)

Chinese term or phrase: 艾思及先生述

Title..... Wushi Yanyu (1645)

五十言餘

my translation...
50 Proverbs & Relatives...

Any help is appreciated...

Not sure how word number/quota limit on PROZ applies for Chinese text.

blavatsky

told by Mister Aleni

Explanation:
艾思及 is the transcription for Aleni
先生 mister
述 to tell

Selected response from:

Lucien van Valen, PhD
Local time: 22:50

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I found your breakdown and explanation most helpful
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

Written by Sir Giulio Aleni

Jun Ng

Dictated by Aleni

Echo Wu

told by Mister Aleni

Lucien van Valen, PhD

Summary of reference entries provided

three meanings of 述 in classical Chinese

Jun Ng

Discussion entries: 5

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3 hrs confidence:

先生艾思及述

told by Mister Aleni

Explanation:
艾思及 is the transcription for Aleni
先生 mister
述 to tell

Lucien van Valen, PhD
Local time: 22:50
Native speaker of:

Dutch
PRO pts in category: 8

Grading comment

I found your breakdown and explanation most helpful

Notes to answerer

Asker: I like "by Aleni" contribution, however, Echo Wu's, "Dictated," is more relevant.

Asker: I like "by Mister Aleni" contribution, however, Echo Wu's, "Dictated," is more relevant.

7 hrs confidence:

Dictated by Aleni

Explanation:
Wushi Yanyu = Collection of 50 sentences from pious authors

述 following someone's name, appearing on the cover of book, usually means the book is dictated by this person (and transcribed by someone else).

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Note added at 7小时 (2011-10-02 11:43:46 GMT)
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Taking the target audience into consideration, you may want to use the Italian Jesuit missionary's full name Jules Aleni.

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Note added at 2天8小时 (2011-10-04 12:40:37 GMT)
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I tried searching Chinese websites for information about the book but failed to find any details. Then I tried and found this (http://www.centroaleni.it/pubblicazioni.htm) where both the title of book shown as *** Wǔshí yán yú (五十言余) - Cinquanta frasi famosein *** The Italian words are translated as "Fifty famous quotes" by Google Translator.
I am not a fan of Google Translator but I believe it on this one.

I should have clarifed that I found the existing translation (**which is not necessarily correct**) by using "Jules Aleni 50" as keywords of a Google search.

Echo Wu
China
Local time: 04:50
Native speaker of:

Chinese

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thankyou for "Dictated".. Would you agree with.. Wushi Yanyu = Collection of 50 Proverbs from pious authors..? How did you derive "pious" ?

2 days14 hrs confidence:

Written by Sir Giulio Aleni

Explanation:
According to the biography from Wikipedia (2nd link), this missionary stayed in China for a very long time and was one of the biggest contributors to the introduction of Chritianity to China. He was the author of many religious and science related books and and an excellent master of classical Chinese. Therefore, I think it is fair to speculate that “述” means "written by" in this context. Keep in mind that the same word in different contexts can have very different things in Chinese, and more so in classical Chinese. The first link below gives you three meanings of this word in classical Chinese, two of which had already been mentioned by Echo Wu & Lucien van Valen. (see reference for details)

I also prefer "Sir" as opposed to "Mister". In classical Chinese, "Sir" is not a title and can be used to address a well respected person and can be applied to both men and women.

Example sentence(s):

《岳阳楼记》：“此则岳阳楼之大观也。前人之*述*备矣。”

Reference: http://hao.vg/wenyanwen/html/2010472296463.html
Reference: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%89%BE%E5%84%92%E7%95%A5

Jun Ng
Local time: 13:50
Native speaker of:

Chinese

Reference comments

2 days11 hrs

Reference: three meanings of 述 in classical Chinese

Reference information:
①<动>传述(dictate)；遵循前人的说法或继续前人的事业。《〈黄花冈七十二烈士事略〉序》：“否则不能继～先烈遗志且光大之。”
②<动>记述(write/describe/account for)。(《岳阳楼记》：“此则岳阳楼之大观也。前人之～备矣。”
③<动>讲述(tell/narrate)。《左忠毅公逸事》：“后常流涕～其事以语人。”

Reference: http://hao.vg/wenyanwen/html/2010472296463.html

Jun Ng
United States
Native speaker of:

Chinese

Note to reference poster

Asker: Thanks for help.. I used "described"

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