English translation: immediate object/icon of faith
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06:27 Feb 28, 2008
Chinese to English translations [PRO] Social Sciences - Religion
Chinese term or phrase:直接的信仰对象
How would you translate 直接的信仰对象 here? Direct object of faith?
This is my stab at this: "As Troeltsch argued, in the modern age history has not lost its meaning because of this, but it has become a means of education and direct observation as well as a means to strengthen community consciousness, unity and integration, and is no longer the direct object faith." I wish I could find the German title of this book and ideally the original German quote. Ernst Troeltsch was a German Protestant theologian (1865-1923).
Explanation: Why not immediate? This would imply that people would do this without question, if you don't want to use direct. Imminent means about to come immediately anyway, so immediate seems to work better for me.
Paul, a friend told me if it's "Protestantism and Progress", German could be "Die Bedeutung des Protestantismus fuer die Entstehung der modernen Welt" pub. by Schutterwald/Baden. ISBN 9783928640282. See http://www.de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Troeltsch
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immediate object/icon of faith
Explanation: Why not immediate? This would imply that people would do this without question, if you don't want to use direct. Imminent means about to come immediately anyway, so immediate seems to work better for me.
Michael Lai Local time: 21:34 Native speaker of: Chinese, English PRO pts in category: 4
Page 254 reads:
"…Troeltsch kann Jesus nicht als „das eigentliche und unmittelbare Objekt des Glaubens“(GS II, 512) verstehen. Dennoch ist es sein Argumentationsziel, dem Jesusbild eine unverlierbare Bedeutung für den Glauben zuzuschreiben. Troeltsch möchte die neuzeitliche Befreiung des Glaubens vor dogmatischen Zwängen bewahren, zugleich aber ergänzen um eine bleibende Verwiesenheit an die geschichtlichen Grundlagen. Gerade sein Jesusbild zeigt, wie er sein Gegenwartsbewußt und Geschichtsgebundenheit auszugleichen sucht..."
That's it: "das eigentliche und unmittelbare Objekt des Glaubens."
For both "eigentlich" and "unmittelbar," I'd rather choose the English word "imminent" than "direct."
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At the beginning of Johann Hinrich Claussen's dissertation, "Die Jesus-Deutung von Ernst Troeltsch im Kontext der Liberalen," there is a list of the works of Ernst Troeltsch. I guess, what you are looking for is in "Gesammelte Schriften," indicated as GS. The GS II is the second volume of "Gesammelte Schriften." You might be able to find the original German text of "基督教理论与现代" there.
BTW, "历史性" is probably mentioned in Troeltsch' works as "Historismus (historicism)." For instance, the title of one of his works is "Der Historismus und seine Überwindung." And I just wonder what his "Protestantisches Christentum und Kirche in der Neuzeit" would be all about. Anyway, good luck to your search and research.
Wenjer Leuschel Taiwan Local time: 19:34 Native speaker of: Chinese
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