English translation: general grammar school/high school
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Explanation: Ako prevodite na američki engleski, ovo je uobičajeni pojam. Da se izbjegnu razlike US English vs. UK English, može se koristiti i general-education secondary school. Gymnasium ne bih upotrebljavao jer je primarno značenje te riječi "športska dvorana".
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Gymnasium u značenju srednja škola nije "native English". Susreće se većinom u prijevodu s njemačkih stranica na engleski. Gymnasium izvorne govornike američkog i britanskog engleskog navodi na značenje "gym" i sve u tom smislu. Uostalom, da nekome Amerikancu kažete "I'm going to general gymnasium", pogledao bi vas u čudu i vjerojatno se nasmijao.
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Kada prevodimo na engleski ili bilo koji drugi strani jezik, treba prevoditi u duhu jezika i imati na umu da tamo već postoje pojmovi koji se koriste za određene institucije. U Americi i Velikoj Britaniji gymnasium sigurno nije gimnazija nego samo športska dvorana. Za gimnaziju Amerikanci koriste high school, a Britanci grammar school. Nije se dobro povoditi za stranicama na internetu gdje sve vrvi kojekakvim nebuloznim prijevodima na upitan engleski.
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Evo definicije iz Merriam-Webster's Online:
Main Entry: gym·na·si·um
Pronunciation: \sense 1 jim-ˈnā-zē-əm, -zhəm; sense 2 usually gim-ˈnä-zē-əm\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural gym·na·si·ums or -na·sia\-ˈnā-zē-ə, -ˈnā-zhə; -ˈnä-zē-ə\
Etymology: Latin, exercise ground, school, from Greek gymnasion, from gymnazein to exercise naked, from gymnos naked — more at naked
Date: 1598
1 a : a large room used for various indoor sports (as basketball or boxing) and usually equipped with gymnastic apparatus b : a building (as on a college campus) containing space and equipment for various indoor sports activities and usually including spectator accommodations, locker and shower rooms, offices, classrooms, and a swimming pool
2 [German, from Latin, school] : a European secondary school that prepares students for the university
Moji američki kolege mi kažu da se značenje 2 može upotrebljavati samo za njemačke srednje škole takve vrste, za sve ostale koristi se high school.
Budući da sam prevodila svjedodžbe sva četiri razreda gimnazije, očito je da osoba nije napustila školu sa 16 godina (na svjedodžbama je i datum rođenja i školske godine u kojima je završila pojedini razred). Ali moram napomenuti jedno: osoba koja završi četiri razreda gimnazije zapravo niti nema kvalifikaciju. Nakon završena četiri razreda mora polagati maturu (od ove školske godine državnu koja zapravo, po mome mišljenju, odgovara onome što se u UK naziva A level). Tek time je završila srednju školu (na Svjedožbi o državnoj maturi piše: Učenik je završio srednje obrazovanje), no realno, nema nikakvu konkretnu kvalifikaciju ukoliko ne nastavi školovanje na visokom učilištu.
Dodala bih samo jos ovo: morate biti svjesni da samo upotrebom termina "grammar school" mozete dovesti osobu kojoj to prevodite u vrlo neugodnu situaciju - naime u Engleskoj ce misliti da je ta osoba napustila skolu sa 16 godina i nema nikakve druge kvalifikacije polsije toga - jer to je Grammar School (a "general" ovdje ne znaci bas nista i nigdje se ne upotrebljava)
That's right that Grammar School in Uk is lower than High School (but there is no high school in UK though) - therefore you need to add "with A Levels Sixth Form" because having completed a grammar school (which is actually "academic secondary education" and is known as such) one would continue with the Sixth Form taking A (advanced) Level subjects and would sit the A Level exams. This is the only way how you can approach this problem I think - because the systems are so different. However, the notion Academic education and A levels would immediately indicate what kind of school "opca gimnazija' is. By the way, for Australia and New Zealand you can use the term Grammar School because they do exist and they ARE NOT lower rank than high schools - on contrary, they offer a range of academic subjects up to University entrance level while High schools usually have all other subjects as well, such as agriculture, horticulture, etc.
Lirka, this may be so in the US but it certainly isn't in the UK. Since the translation's to be done for the UK, grammar school is the only equivalent. To emphasize the general education it gives, one could say "general grammar school". Putting "gimnazija" in parentheses in an official document is not an option.
Grammar school would be misleading--it is lower in rank than high school. You can put 'gimnazija' in parentheses and translate as high school. Although it is NOT an English term, it is known to many educators in the USA/UK. So many would actually understand what you want to say.
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general gymnasium
Explanation: - Croatia (4 years, starting at age 14/15 after 8 years in elementary school, five different educational tracks: opća gimnazija (general education), klasična gimnazija (focused on Latin and Ancient Greek), jezična gimnazija (focused on modern languages), prirodoslovna gimnazija (biology and chemistry) and prirodoslovno-matematička gimnazija (mathematics, physics and computer science), ends with Matura).
- Serbia (4 years, starting at age 14/15 after 8 years in elementary school. There are 2 types. One is general gymnasium (opšta gimnazija in Serbian) which offers broad education both in natural subjects and social studies. Other is just gymnasium in which you can choose on enrollment if you want to study science and mathematics (prirodno-matematicki smer in Serbian) or social studies (drustveni smer in Serbian). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium_(school)
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ili „general-education gymnasium”
After graduating from Realschule, good students are allowed to attend a professional Gymnasium or a general-education Gymnasium. They can also attend a Berufskolleg or do an apprenticeship. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realschule
ili “gymnasium of general education”
Youth on 18/19 Additional training for special education Gymnasium of General Education in Secondary SchoolSecondary shool16/17 14/15 Basic shool10/11 Primary school6/7 Pere - School EducationThis school structure allows the same type of school choice schoolchildrens and profile in accordance with their skills and living conditions and better prepare for life. http://indrekuleviciute.blogspot.com/2010/04/education-in-li...
Natasa Stankovic Serbia Local time: 10:10 Works in field Native speaker of: Serbian
Explanation: Ako prevodite na američki engleski, ovo je uobičajeni pojam. Da se izbjegnu razlike US English vs. UK English, može se koristiti i general-education secondary school. Gymnasium ne bih upotrebljavao jer je primarno značenje te riječi "športska dvorana".
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Gymnasium u značenju srednja škola nije "native English". Susreće se većinom u prijevodu s njemačkih stranica na engleski. Gymnasium izvorne govornike američkog i britanskog engleskog navodi na značenje "gym" i sve u tom smislu. Uostalom, da nekome Amerikancu kažete "I'm going to general gymnasium", pogledao bi vas u čudu i vjerojatno se nasmijao.
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Kada prevodimo na engleski ili bilo koji drugi strani jezik, treba prevoditi u duhu jezika i imati na umu da tamo već postoje pojmovi koji se koriste za određene institucije. U Americi i Velikoj Britaniji gymnasium sigurno nije gimnazija nego samo športska dvorana. Za gimnaziju Amerikanci koriste high school, a Britanci grammar school. Nije se dobro povoditi za stranicama na internetu gdje sve vrvi kojekakvim nebuloznim prijevodima na upitan engleski.
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Evo definicije iz Merriam-Webster's Online:
Main Entry: gym·na·si·um
Pronunciation: \sense 1 jim-ˈnā-zē-əm, -zhəm; sense 2 usually gim-ˈnä-zē-əm\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural gym·na·si·ums or -na·sia\-ˈnā-zē-ə, -ˈnā-zhə; -ˈnä-zē-ə\
Etymology: Latin, exercise ground, school, from Greek gymnasion, from gymnazein to exercise naked, from gymnos naked — more at naked
Date: 1598
1 a : a large room used for various indoor sports (as basketball or boxing) and usually equipped with gymnastic apparatus b : a building (as on a college campus) containing space and equipment for various indoor sports activities and usually including spectator accommodations, locker and shower rooms, offices, classrooms, and a swimming pool
2 [German, from Latin, school] : a European secondary school that prepares students for the university
Moji američki kolege mi kažu da se značenje 2 može upotrebljavati samo za njemačke srednje škole takve vrste, za sve ostale koristi se high school.
Aha, budući da se radi o prijevodu za UK, onda svakako grammar school. Ja bih to preveo kao general grammar school.
Davor Kalinic Local time: 10:10 Specializes in field Native speaker of: Croatian PRO pts in category: 4
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Hvala svima na prijedlozima, odlučila sam se za "general grammar school"
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Asker: Budući da je prijevod za UK, mislila sam staviti grammar school, zapravo je pitanje bilo za ovo "opća", a ne za gimnazija. Nikad gimnazija ne bih prevela kao "gymnasium".
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