16:00 Nov 8, 2011 

What about "post-matrimonial home rights"? Cake has been eaten and we still have it:-)
Thank you all for interesting discussion.

15:45 Nov 8, 2011 

Termin "společne bydlení" ako sa používa v kontexte otázky "písemné smlouvy s uředně ověřenými podpisy častníků upravující pro dobu po tomto rozvodu vzpořádání vzájemným majetkových vztahů, práva a povinnosti společného bydlení", je konkretny pravny termin tykajuci sa manzelov. Aj keby tam to manzelstvo nebolo uvedene, takato zmluva /spolu s inymi zmluvami o vysporiadani/ sa uvadza prave pred rozvodom. A tym, ze je tam manzelstvo explicitne spomenute, je jasne, ze ide o predrozvodovu zmluvu. Uvedenu SMLOUVU O VYPOŘÁDÁNÍ PRÁV A POVINNOSTÍ SPOLEČNÉHO BYDLENÍ MANŽELŮ PRO DOBU PO ROZVODU tu do linkujem. Ked si pozriete dikciu Family Law Act, je zrejme, ze obdobna zmluva tykajuca sa "matrimonial home rights"" sa pred rozvodom riesi aj v britskom prave. Chapem, ze vyraz matrimonial je v dobe po rozvode nelogicky, ale nenasiel som ziadny dokaz, ze by sa v okamihu rozvodu dane prava zmenili na cohabitation rights alebo living together rights. Podobnych nelogickosti je v ceskom, slovenskom aj anglickom prave pomerne vela. Jednoducho povedane, v ceskom aj britskom prave sa pred rozvodom uzatvara zmluva s velmi podobnym obsahom, nazov by teda mal byt ekvivalentny.

14:04 Nov 8, 2011 

Termín "společné bydlení" je obecný termín a žádný "manželský" prvek neobsahuje. V tomto konkrétním případě jde sice o smlouvu manželů, avšak "pro dobu po tomto rozvodu", kdy už manželé nebudou a i když budou nadále "společně bydlet", tak určitě nebudou mít "manželské společné bydlení". To, že se "společné bydlení" týká manželů, je výslovně uvedeno na začátku věty. Howgh.

13:40 Nov 8, 2011 

Of course, divorce, thanks.

13:39 Nov 8, 2011 

Hladany vyraz je "společné bydlení" v kontexte danej vety o predrozvodovom vysporiadani. Pokial by sme sa rozhodli ignorovat kontext, prekladanie sa zmeni na losovanie z x významov z rozličných oblastí ľudskej činnosti. A pokiaľ som si všimol, aj v otázkach na Kudoz sa kontext (pokiaľ je uvedený) vždy berie do úvahy.

13:30 Nov 8, 2011 

Therefore, I would really appreciate at least some explanation, WHY do you mean that term "cohabitation" with its broad meaning is applicable in this case, but "matrimonial home" with its specific meaning (which, moreover, corresponds to meaning of "společné bydlení") is not. I apologize for being persuasive and I am not going to continue in this discussion, but I would like to hear at least some arguments why do you consider "matrimonial home" incorrect. Just feeling is not enough. Thank you.

13:27 Nov 8, 2011 

Hledaný termín je "společné bydlení" - a to, že se týká manželů, ať rozvedených či nikoliv, vyplývá pouze z kontextu. Použití adjektiva "matrimonial" není namístě ...

13:23 Nov 8, 2011 

Please, nothing is developing into anything, and certainly NOT a war, as you put it - just take it easy. Divorce, not divorse, it must have been a typo, though.

13:21 Nov 8, 2011 

However, to stop something which slowly begins to evolve in some kind of flame war, I would like to summarize the question and answers.
First of all, the question relates to some agreements, which have to be made before a divorse. One of the agreement (or a part of broader agreement) relates to post-divorce arrangement of rights to occupy, rent, lease or sell a real property, where family lives before divorce. We can clearly see it in above linked document SMLOUVA O VYPOŘÁDÁNÍ PRÁV A POVINNOSTÍ SPOLEČNÉHO BYDLENÍ MANŽELŮ PRO DOBU PO ROZVODU. As there is no relevant dictionary or site directly translating the text, we have to find English term expressing same matters as the Czech one. I am strongly convinced that meaning of the English term "matrimonial home" is very close to Czech "společné bydlení". Again, you can check it in the Family Law Act and other linked documents. Alternative solution "cohabitation" has simply too broad meaning to be applicable in this case. As you can see in the Black's Dictionary of Law (relevant source, I hope), cohabitation is just act of living together. Wikipedia provides even broader meaning, talking about joint living of several people.

13:09 Nov 8, 2011 

sorry, indeed, I gave some other link which I studied for other reasons.
Here is the correct one: http://ec.europa.eu/civiljustice/divorce/divorce_cze_en.htm

13:03 Nov 8, 2011 

Unfortunately, I failed to find quoted text on the first linked website (the embassy)
As for the second text. it is a document stored in the library of law school in the Dominican Republic. I am not able to evaluate its relevancy or accurateness.

12:58 Nov 8, 2011 

A proposal for a divorce or for the declaration of the annulment of a marriage is
submitted to the District Court for the district in which the couple had its last
place of cohabitation in the Czech Republic, provided at least one of the
spouses lives in the district.

enj.org/portal/biblioteca/civil/suplente_civil/16.pdf

12:45 Nov 8, 2011 

Divorce – Czech Republic
The documents in question are: a) a written contract governing the settlement of the mutual property relations, the rights and
responsibilities of cohabitation and any eventual maintenance for the period after the divorce
with the officially verified signatures of the spouses; b) a valid court decision approving the agreement regulating the circumstances of any minors for the time after the divorce.
http://www.mzv.cz/riyadh/en/information_about_the_czech_repu...
enj.org/portal/biblioteca/civil/suplente_civil/16.pdf

08:22 Nov 8, 2011 

Yes, but not applicable in this case. According to Black's Dictionary of Law: Cohabitation - The fact or state of living together, esp. as partners in life, usu. with the suggestion of sexual relations
Nothing about occupational rights after divorce.

08:14 Nov 8, 2011 

Cohabitation IS a legal term, appears in legal dictionaries and often figures quite prominently.

08:12 Nov 8, 2011 

Sorry, but now I am confused. Cohabitation is not (in this context) specific legal term, but general one. I would really appreciate if you could submit at least some proof, why cohabitation should apply to specific case of settlement of occupation rights after divorce.

08:11 Nov 8, 2011 

I am sorry, let us leave it this way: I would purposely NOT use the term matrimonial home. Thank you.

08:09 Nov 8, 2011 

Here is SMLOUVA O VYPOŘÁDÁNÍ PRÁV A POVINNOSTÍ SPOLEČNÉHO BYDLENÍ MANŽELŮ PRO DOBU PO ROZVODU, about which we are talking.
http://www.katalog-pravniku.cz/smlouvy/93-smlouva-o-vyporada...
It has much more restricted meaning than cohabitation. We should not use general, inaccurate term, if there exist specific legal term.

08:05 Nov 8, 2011 

Yes, you are correct. Specific legal terms.

08:04 Nov 8, 2011 

We are not talking about general term describing common household of two people, but about specific legal term with exact meaning, which we could find, for example, in linked agreements (the very same agreements referred to in the question)

08:04 Nov 8, 2011 

I interpreted it from the following text "upravující pro dobu po tomto rozvodu vzpořádání vzájemným majetkových vztahů, práva a povinnosti společného bydlení a případnou vyživovací povinnost..."
in view of that text I had no alternative but to use the term cohabitation

08:00 Nov 8, 2011 

I apologize if I am wrong, but I have a feeling that you confuse společné soužití (cohabitation is correct translation) for společné bydlení.

07:56 Nov 8, 2011 

But Czech term "spolecne bydleni" specifically refers to occupation rights to dwelling real estate. It is not about upbringing children, sharing household expenses (except for expenses related to occupation) or any other questions to which cohabitation could refer. See linked agreement http://www.katalog-pravniku.cz/smlouvy/93-smlouva-o-vyporada... Frankly, I do not understand, where you see differences betweeen matrimonial home rights and práva společného bydlení. Could you be more specific about it?

07:41 Nov 8, 2011 

cohabitation does have a different meaning, I am sorry but that is why I have used it. I could have used matrimonial cohabitation which would be pertinent to marriage, but not in view of this situation. The division of property is a whole separate issue.

07:37 Nov 8, 2011 

Ked si pozriete text vety prilozenej k otazke, je jasne ze zmluva o vysporiadani práv společného bydlení sa uzatvára ešte pred rozvodom, takže aj to matrimonial sa dá priamo obhájiť. Aj keby nie, je celkom bezne, ze urcite prava a povinnosti pretrvavaju aj po ukonceni zmluvneho vztahu (a manzelstvo je takto mozne interpretovat), ktorý ich konštituoval, a to bez ohladu na ich pomenovanie.
Co je vsak podla mna zasadne, je blizkost vyznamov vyrazu matrimonial home rights a práva společného bydlení. V obidvoch pripadoch ide o pravo disponovat s nehnutelnym obytnym majetkom, v obidvoch pripadoch by sa mali vysporiadat pred rozvodom /viz. tiez http://www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/Articles/Finances/Protecting... Vyraz cohabitation /společné soužití/ ma vlastne dosť odlišný význam /http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohabitation/ a s delenim majetku a prav k uzivaniu obytnej nehnutelnosti skutocne nema nic spolocneho. Viz. http://www.ehow.com/list_6824665_illinois-cohabitation-right...

06:05 Nov 8, 2011 

http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Počítačová_klávesnice
(at the bottom of page)

23:59 Nov 7, 2011 

Your are welcome.

23:57 Nov 7, 2011 

Thanks, Hannah, for help with this letter! I think it is the only letter on the Czech keyboard I could not find but now I know!

Stephen

23:54 Nov 7, 2011 

on your Qwerty, ú is the left bracket next to P....someone told me so very recently

23:51 Nov 7, 2011 

I just wanted to say I could not figure out how to write u with accent, so accidentally left them out of my context. The words I misspelled should be "úředně" and "účastníků".
Stephen