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English translation: in hiding


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10:18 Nov 22, 2009
Danish to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature
Danish term or phrase: iløn
A poem written by Caspara Preetzmann (Caralis) :
"Og naar Maanen fra Sky
Over Marker og By
Udgyder sin sølverne Flod,
Vil mig fængsle dens Skin
Paa din Pande, din Kind,
Vil jeg knæle iløn ved din Fod"
Brigid McCauley
Local time: 21:32
English translation:in hiding
Explanation:
Archaic language for 'secretly', 'in hiding'. It should be spelled in two words in Danish 'i løn'.
The same words are used in Grundtvig's *Et barn er født i Bethlehem' (... en fattig jomfru sad i løn ...).

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Apparently the poem is a translation of Shelleys 'To the queen of my heart':
http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=51641
The English text and the Danish translation both support the idea of secrecy.
The ODS reference has an example of 'iløn' in one word in Shakespeare, so this is not an error as I first thought: http://ordnet.dk/ods/opslag?id=497534
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Marianne Sorensen
Denmark
Local time: 21:32
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Thanks Marianne and everyone else for your help. I didn't have to translate the whole poem, just that line, as it was used as a quote. I finally decided on "secretly" here but have asked the client to confirm.
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5In adoration, " in a begging mode if you will " med vandrette grene og overhængende skud.
kolya
4 +1in hiding
Marianne Sorensen
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xxxEnglish-Dani

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in hiding


Explanation:
Archaic language for 'secretly', 'in hiding'. It should be spelled in two words in Danish 'i løn'.
The same words are used in Grundtvig's *Et barn er født i Bethlehem' (... en fattig jomfru sad i løn ...).

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Note added at 12 hrs (2009-11-22 22:45:28 GMT)
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Apparently the poem is a translation of Shelleys 'To the queen of my heart':
http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/get_text.html?TextId=51641
The English text and the Danish translation both support the idea of secrecy.
The ODS reference has an example of 'iløn' in one word in Shakespeare, so this is not an error as I first thought: http://ordnet.dk/ods/opslag?id=497534


    Reference: http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%B8n
    Reference: http://www.dendanskesalmebogonline.dk/salme/104
Marianne Sorensen
Denmark
Local time: 21:32
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in DanishDanish
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
Thanks Marianne and everyone else for your help. I didn't have to translate the whole poem, just that line, as it was used as a quote. I finally decided on "secretly" here but have asked the client to confirm.
Notes to answerer
Asker: Aha. That explains why I couldn't find it. I now have a definition: "løn2 : [i løn] (hemmeligt) in secret, secretly, clandestinely." I think the "secret" sense fits best in this context. Thanks, Marianne.


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agree  Christine Andersen
7 hrs
  -> thanks!
agree  Anna Haxen: Jeg kan finde adskillige referencer til iløn brugt i betydningen i skjul, men ingen der antyder underkastelse/ydmyghed. Jeg kan heller ikke se, hvordan en planteart, der slet ikke vokser i Norden, skulle have fundet vej til den ældre nordiske litteratur.
9 hrs
  -> thanks!
disagree  kolya: I disagree because, #1 this is an old poetry style or an old poetry which use object name to show feelings or special matters, try reading a book by Molawi masnavi , or mahsati gangi......or even Kaj Munk, or someone who uses lots of similie...or metaphor
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In adoration, " in a begging mode if you will " med vandrette grene og overhængende skud.


Explanation:
With all respect, to Marianne, S, I would like to say that this is an old Danish or Nordic if you will, term. iløn in here is likening of a person to a tree "Ild-Løn (Acer ginnala). when this person in love so deeply with her or his lover, showing off her/his love by letting the other know that he or she is almost in prostration before the others love.
Vil mig fængsle dens Skin
Paa din Pande, din Kind,
Vil jeg knæle iløn ved din Fod" will I kneel down (in prostration, or kneeling in humbleness before your feet) when a person so humbled and powerless before love.....
***Ild-Løn;( iløn) I am certain almost 1000% that like many other poets, Danish or Nordic poets also used to abbreviate some of the words or names of the objects and thus turning them in to expressions, with rhyming. that is why the word or term "iløn" does not exist collective as mentioned but in separate form as " i løn " and that has a very different meaning, no connection with this sentence.***

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Preetzmann. Caspara Preetzmann, Malerinde, født i Aalborg den i. August 1792, var Datter af Etatsraad, Toldinspektør Christian Preetzmann (f. 1749, d. 1827) og Christiane Sofie Hedvig f. Baronesse Bertouch (f. 1757, d. 1837). Af Lyst til Kimsten lærte hun at male hos H. Hansen, sammen med Eleonore Harboe og flere Damer. Hun, som var Konventualinde i Gisselfeld Kloster, udstillede i 1820—22 nogle mindre Billeder, men malede mest Kopier samt enkelte Altertavler. Om hendes ædelmodige Færd overfor Jerichau er talt ovenfor fs. d.). Hun døde i høj Alder den 26. December 1876.

(Priv. Medd. Benzonske Stamtavle i Rigsarch. Geneal. Inst. Reitzel. Udst. Fortegn.)....
Finally I found what I was looking for. Ok. An expression from a master of painting.and a poet. http://www.bis.se/naxos.php?aID=BIS-CD-787 this poem in song....#20. Dig elsker Jeg
Her paintings in Italy are in http://www.comanducci.it/English/Risultati.asp?Ricerca=Preet...

Example sentence(s):
  • as I find myself lost in deep blue skies of your beautiful eyes, and my heart in dungeons of your love, I kneel in prostration & adoration before you for a simple smile...
kolya
Native speaker of: Native in DanishDanish, Native in Farsi (Persian)Farsi (Persian)
Notes to answerer
Asker: Hi kolya. Your suggestion fits my context perfectly. But I would like to have found one authoritative source to confirm this information, and I have not found one. And nothing in the Ordbog over det danske sprog. Despite that, I still want to at least offer it to the client for discussion. She may well know herself.

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