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collectiviteitsgedachte

English translation: Group perspective


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Dutch term or phrase:Collectiviteitsgedachte
English translation:Group perspective
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15:22 Dec 9, 2004
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Bus/Financial - Business/Commerce (general) / polder model
Dutch term or phrase: collectiviteitsgedachte
This is one of those terms that describes the Dutch mindset, and I'm having a bit of difficulty with an acceptable rendering in English. The context is: because of technicalities, certain categories of employees do not qualify for certain minor benefits under a very complex pension scheme. However, they are still expected to pay the full contributions. The reason cited is "Vanuit de collectiviteitsgedachte moet volgens het pensioenfonds wel premie worden betaald".

I was thinking of something with 'collective responsibility', but I'm a bit doubtful of whether this captures the real meaning...

Can anyone help me out?
Chris Hopley
Netherlands
Local time: 12:27
Group perspective
Explanation:
Pension schemes often cater for groups of people, such as those employed by a company or group of companies. I think that this "collectiviteitsgedachte" refers to that aspect.
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xxxjarry
South Africa
Local time: 12:27
Grading comment
Hi Jarry, I think that this is it, although I have worded it slightly differently to fit in with the rest of the text.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +4'solidarity' thinking
seaMount
5 +1In the interest of the common good
Richenel Ansano
4Group perspectivexxxjarry
3 +1consensus
Siobhan Schoonhoff-Reilly
3collective frame of mind
Allison Klein


  

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29 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
consensus


Explanation:
Literal translation: 'collective thought/opinion' which to me translates into 'consensus'.

Siobhan Schoonhoff-Reilly
Local time: 12:27
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 27

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Allison Klein: for me too.......;)
15 hrs
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +4
'solidarity' thinking


Explanation:
I doubt it if this refers to "poldermodel" (which refers to a specific way to come to agreements by consultation etc.)
The first thing that comes to my mind reading this text is that it refers to 'principles of solidarity' or '.. (basis of) collectivity'

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analogue: a \'collectieve verzekering\' or \'CAO\' means: it applies to all ....

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analogue: a \'collectieve verzekering\' or \'CAO\' means: it applies to all ....

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Misschien refereert het aan \"priciple of equal treatment\"
Uit: Geneva Retirement Plan and Taxations - beschrijft ook Principle of Collectivity and Solidarity
http://www.genevoise.ch/e/pdf/Fiscalité_Prévoyance.pdf


seaMount
Local time: 12:27
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tina Vonhof: solidarity principle (equal treatment it is not).
1 hr
  -> thanks Tina, agree (but still longing for an expert opinion)

agree  Ken Cox: As good as you'll get (solidarity is also a bit of a foreign concept in English-speaking countries, especially in the good ol' US of A).
1 hr
  -> thanks Kenneth (yeah, what's that saying on old and wise?)

agree  xxxFullCircle: of solidarity principle
6 hrs
  -> Dank je Marion, confirming!

agree  shineda: with principle
6 hrs
  -> Thanks Shineda
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Group perspective


Explanation:
Pension schemes often cater for groups of people, such as those employed by a company or group of companies. I think that this "collectiviteitsgedachte" refers to that aspect.

xxxjarry
South Africa
Local time: 12:27
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 237
Grading comment
Hi Jarry, I think that this is it, although I have worded it slightly differently to fit in with the rest of the text.
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
In the interest of the common good


Explanation:
This is a common expression that covers this concept in this case. In some other contexts it does not hold as nicely, but I think it is what you are looking for in this case.

The rational seems to be that if these employees do not pay into the pension fund they are depriving the government of funds to provide for a more equal distribution of resources in the society as a whole. A case of redistributive justice.


    Reference: http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/ptpdlp/newsletter/issue53...
Richenel Ansano
United States
Local time: 06:27
Native speaker of: Native in PapiamentoPapiamento, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tina Vonhof: I think this would work as well.
2 hrs
  -> Thank you Tina.
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
collective frame of mind


Explanation:
...springs to mind. Don't know if this quite captures it though
... Increase confidence in the meaning of a Binghamton degree. COLLECTIVE FRAME OF MIND.
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of our collective frame of mind than a judgment on his presidency. ...
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... These poems put TS Eliot’s objective correlative to work; each poetic journey
symbolizes, from a distance, a personal or collective frame of mind. ...
j... into an oligarchy, the argument begins--an argument buttressed with facts, figures,
and observations--and the nation's collective frame of mind has changed as ...
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/ detail/-/0802114466?v=glance&vi=reviews - 52k - Toegevoegde zoekresultaten acketmagazine.com/19/rode.html - 9k


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or.......you might very well have said it yourself with the word \'mindset\' - collective mindset?

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on second thought, there are loads of hits for \'collective mindset\' -
... Powerful resolutions came from the collective mindset of the union membership. ... We
used the collective mindset of the real experts, the union members. ...
www.janicecalnan.com/index. php?sv=&category=3&title=68 - 35k
... The state thrives on a collective mindset; its existence depends upon the refusal
of people to make fundamental inquiries into their thinking and behavior. ...
www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer90.html - 24k
... This is a good thing, but this collective mindset creates a massive barrier to
implementing enterprise-wide solutions, unless they also identify and pursue ...
www.beingfirst.com/changeresources/articles/200209/ - 60k

Allison Klein
Netherlands
Local time: 12:27
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tina Vonhof: what this means is that everyone thinks the same way/has the same opinion but that is not what is means in the source text.
2 hrs
  ->  so this is the run-up to solidarity? ;)
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