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English translation: post-initial education

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Dutch term or phrase:	postinitieel onderwijs
English translation:	post-initial education
Entered by:	Alexander Schleber

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13:38 Mar 25, 2007

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Dutch term or phrase: postinitieel onderwijs

"Financiering van onderzoeksactiviteiten in de Instellingen voor Postinitieel Onderwijs."

It seems to be a contradiction, but the term really is used both in the Netherlands and in Belgium. Unfortunately all of the sites I have looked at do not explain precisely what is meant.

I currently leaned towards "advanced education".
Any ideas?
Any references?
TIA

Alexander Schleber KudoZ activity Questions: 674 (none open) (14 without valid answers) (12 closed without grading) Answers: 4439
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post-initial education

Explanation:
this is the translation given by the Nederlandse Vlaamse Onderwijstermen dictionary by Kees Broekhof

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or post-initial higher education

maybe you should put Advanced / Executive education in brackets, if that fits your context.

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Andre de Vries
Local time: 11:37

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Thanks to all. I was tending towards Chris' answer, because I dislike politico mumbo-jumbo terms. But it seems that is indeed the preferred term. SO be it.
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post-initial education

Andre de Vries

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continuing professional education, postgraduate professional learning, post-experience master's

Chris Hopley

postgraduate/graduate education

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post-initial education

Andre de Vries
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Thanks to all. I was tending towards Chris' answer, because I dislike politico mumbo-jumbo terms. But it seems that is indeed the preferred term. SO be it.

1 hr confidence:

postgraduate/graduate education

Explanation:
UK/US

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Some of the Dutch universities also translate it this way eg

In de Angelsaksische landen met een bachelor-master model (zoals Australië, het VK en Noord Amerika) worden masteropleidingen als postinitieel (postgraduate) beschouwd.

http://www.utwente.nl/cheps/documenten/dutchreport02financie...

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continuing professional education, postgraduate professional learning, post-experience master's

Explanation:
'Postinitieel' refers to a programme of study, most often leading to a master's degree, which is usually intended for mid-career professionals and, as JonO's uva.nl link explains, is intended to deepen professional or practical expertise in a specialised field.

A Belgian definition seems to confirm this too:
"In dit decreet wordt er onder "postinitieel onderwijs" verstaan de opleidingen die leiden tot een diploma van master en waarvoor de inschrijving primair openstaat voor personen die reeds in het bezit zijn van een graad van master. Personen die niet in het bezit zijn van een graad van master kunnen toegelaten worden na een intakegesprek waarin de instelling peilt naar de motivatie en de wetenschappelijke affiniteit van de student en naar de aard van de beroepservaring.]"
http://www.ond.vlaanderen.be/edulex/database/document/docume...

In English, study programmes are usually only referred to by their name and level (e.g. PG diploma, MA, PhD). No other qualification is given (apart from part-time or full-time, of course). In many ways, 'postinitieel' refers to the entrance requirements of candidates, i.e. some professional experience is needed. Entry is not normally open to new graduates. If you look at these types of programmes at English-speaking universities, you can identify them by remarks such as:

"The degree programme is designed in particular for lawyers and other human rights professionals who wish to pursue advanced studies in international human rights law but may need to do so alongside their work or family responsibilities."

Although 'post-initial' appears to offer a neat translation, it doesn't really mean anything to anyone outside the Dutch and Flemish context, so is probably best avoided. 'Advanced master's' or 'executive master's' are perhaps best avoided too, as 'advanced' is suggestive of a higher academic level than any other master's degree, and that is simply not the case. 'Executive' *might* be OK for a business master's or an MBA, but otherwise it just sounds a little snooty imo.

My suggestions are continuing professional education (although this could include more than just master's degrees), postgraduate professional learning, or post-experience master's.

Reference: http://international.conted.ox.ac.uk/mastersdegreeininternat...
Reference: http://www.nuffic.nl/glossary

Chris Hopley
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