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gewaarschuwden; gewaarschuwde personen (code BA4)

English translation: Instructed persons (code BA4)


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Dutch term or phrase:Gewaarschuwden personen (code BA4)
English translation:Instructed persons (code BA4)
Entered by: Michael Beijer
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14:42 Jun 16, 2011
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Tech/Engineering - Electronics / Elect Eng / Belgian General Regulations for Electrical Installations (“Algemeen Reglement op de Elektrische Installaties
Dutch term or phrase: gewaarschuwden; gewaarschuwde personen (code BA4)
Training given to employees working in electrical installations in Belgium whereby they can receive "BA4 certification" and are then able to call themselves a so-called "gewaarschuwde persoon."

Has anyone perhaps come across an English translation of this term?

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"Werken in de nabijheid van elektrische installaties die onder spanning (kunnen) staan, en het uitvoeren van
een aantal welbepaalde taken, houden reële gevaren in. Niet zonder reden voorziet het AREI dan ook dat
een aantal specifieke werken slechts mag uitgevoerd worden door ***"gewaarschuwde"*** personen. Bovendien
is en blijft het de verantwoordelijkheid van de "werkgever", om ervoor te zorgen dat zijn werknemers de
vereiste kwalificaties hebben." (http://www.vincotte-academy.be/data/Fiche/EL03N.pdf)

"In elke onderneming zorgt elektriciteit voor potentiële risico's waaraan werknemers kunnen blootgesteld worden. Elektrische installaties zijn daarom onderworpen aan strikte reglementen en controles. Maar ook een degelijke informatie en opleiding aan en van de werknemers maken deel uit van de preventiemaatregelen die de werkgever moet nemen.

Voor de personen die werkzaamheden uitvoeren aan elektrische installaties voorziet de wetgeving de verplichting voor de werkgever in een specifieke opleiding aan medewerkers die deze taken moeten uitvoeren.

Volgens de aard van de uit te voeren taken moet men een specifieke vorming voorzien. Men maakt hierbij het onderscheid in een opleiding tot een ***gewaarschuwd persoon*** (code BA4) of een vakbekwaam persoon (code BA5).

De werkgever kent aan zijn werknemers volgens hun bekwaamheid de code BA4 of BA5 toe.

BA4 en BA5
Code Omschrijving Voorwaarden
BA4 ***Gewaarschuwden Personen*** die:
ofwel voldoende onderricht worden aangaande de elektrische risico’s
ofwel permanent worden bewaakt door een vakbekwaam persoon
BA5 Vakbekwamen Personen die via kennis, verkregen door opleiding of ervaring, de gevaren verbonden aan de uit te voeren werkzaamheden zelf kunnen inschatten, en maatregelen treffen om de daaruit voortvloeiende specifieke risico’s te elimineren of tot een minimum te beperken" (http://www.beswic.be/nl/training/electricity/front-page)
Michael Beijer
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:32
Instructed persons (BA4)
Explanation:
See discussion. And discussion re. "Vakbekwamen personen (code BA5)" here: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/dutch_to_english/electronics_elect...
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Steven Beijer
Local time: 11:32
Grading comment
Thanks Steven!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +1Instructed persons (BA4)
Steven Beijer
4persons (made) aware of the riscs [EN-US: risks]
F Scott Ophof
3 -1qualified electrician's assistantTechLawDC
3 -1accompanying safety person
Josephine Isaacs


Discussion entries: 2





  

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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
accompanying safety person


Explanation:
This is perhaps the equivalent in the UK:

12.9 The Accompanying Safety Person is a person, not directly involved in the work or test, who has adequate knowledge, experience and ability to recognise danger, keep watch, prevent unauthorised interruption of the work, apply first-aid and summon help. The Accompanying Safety Person is to have received training in emergency first-aid in accordance with these Rules and Procedures.

12.11 The Authorised Person or Person in Charge or Skilled Person, as appropriate, responsible for the operation, work or test to be attended, are to ensure the Accompanying Safety Person understands his or her intended role as described in Clause 12.9 and how to disconnect the Equipment being worked on from all supplies of electricity, and how to switch off any test Equipment or disconnect it from the supply.

http://www.shepublic.stfc.ac.uk/Codes/DL/SC02 Electrical/SC0...

Josephine Isaacs
Australia
Local time: 18:32
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  F Scott Ophof: A BA4 _IS_ directly involved with the work, whereas an A.S.P is "not directly involved".
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
qualified electrician's assistant


Explanation:
(Just putting 2 and 2 together.)

TechLawDC
United States
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  F Scott Ophof: Alleen gewaarschuwd houdt nog niet in 'qualified' en/of 'assistant', en 'electrician' is overtollig...
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1 day5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
persons (made) aware of the riscs [EN-US: risks]


Explanation:
Plz see 12.1-12.4 in reference, but especially:
12.2 Skilled Persons are to be aware of the extent and limits of the work to be undertaken and of any constraints on the sequence or method of working.

One can only BE aware if one has BECOME aware, ie. warned in some way.

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Note added at 2 days6 hrs (2011-06-18 21:02:15 GMT)
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'Fore-warned' is another way of saying 'made aware of'.
Though 'fore-warned/aware persons' go through a certification process, there is no reason to look for them in the electrical trade; they might be members of a cleaning crew. See:
http://www.traininginfo.be/trainingfiche.php?txtlang=nl-be&i...


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Note added at 3 days2 hrs (2011-06-19 17:38:29 GMT)
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The asker's link (in his 'Notes to answerer') also points to an IEC document (60364-5-51, ed 5.0) containing "BA4 Instructed persons" and "BA5 Skilled persons". That, and the asker's use of "CONCLUSIVELY"( which I fully agree with) make me want to withdraw my answer. Or give myself at least 3 negative points. How, Michael?


    Reference: http://www.shepublic.stfc.ac.uk/Codes/DL/SC02%20Electrical/S...
F Scott Ophof
Belize
Local time: 02:32
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: I think this: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Ba4+and+BA5+instructed+persons+and+Skilled+persons" pretty much shows CONCLUSIVELY that in this context, "BA4 Gewaarschuwden personen" & "BA5: Vakbekwamen personen" are standard translated as: "BA4 Instructed persons" & "BA5 Skilled persons".

Asker: I'm not sure about negative points, or withdrawing your question, but it would be great if someone could enter "Instructed persons (BA4)" as an answer here... so I can select it as the correct answer and then close this question and add it to the glossary.

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4 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Instructed persons (BA4)


Explanation:
See discussion. And discussion re. "Vakbekwamen personen (code BA5)" here: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/dutch_to_english/electronics_elect...

Steven Beijer
Local time: 11:32
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks Steven!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jack den Haan: although I think active particpants in this discussion should have been given more time to enter this...
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Changes made by editors
Jun 20, 2011 - Changes made by Michael Beijer:
Edited KOG entryMichael Beijer's old entry - "gewaarschuwden personen (code BA4)" => "Instructed persons (code BA4)"
Jun 16, 2011 - Changes made by writeaway:
Language pairFlemish to English => Dutch to English
Field (write-in)Belgian General Regulations for Electrical Installations (“Algemeen Reglement op de Elektrische Installaties\", AREI) => Belgian General Regulations for Electrical Installations (“Algemeen Reglement op de Elektrische Installaties


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