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English translation: social perception / conceptualisation

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Dutch term or phrase:	maatschappelijke beeldvorming
English translation:	social perception / conceptualisation
Entered by:	xxxjarry

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11:42 Jul 9, 2005

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Dutch term or phrase: maatschappelijke beeldvorming

I am translating a book about direct democracy and referenda, oriiginally written by a Belgian.

Thee is frequent reference to "maatschappelijke beeldvorming",

e.g. De kern van de democratie is eigenlijk dit proces van maatschappelijke beeldvorming, waarbij de idee of het voorstel van een enkeling, meestal reeds overgenomen door een kleinere groep (partij of actie- of drukkingsgroep), door de brede samenleving wordt gewikt en gewogen.

"social image forming" or "communal image creation" doen't seem quite right to me. Any suggestions from you sociologists out there?

Dave Calderhead KudoZ activity Questions: 25 (none open) (1 closed without grading) Answers: 1065 Netherlands
Local time: 10:40

social perception

Explanation:
See: Belief Systems and Social Perception Structures
http://www.trufax.org/general/beliefsystems.html

Selected response from:

xxxjarry
South Africa
Local time: 10:40

Grading comment

Thanks, Jarry. I was spoiled for choice, but this seems best to me without too much jargon. FYI, OED does give perception as a process.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +3

social perception

xxxjarry

social (societal or public) conceptualization

Lawyer-Linguist

Forming a societal perspective

Kate Hudson

form/shape/an overall picture of society

writeaway

public opinion formation

David Haymes

social construction

Tina Vonhof

Discussion entries: 8

Answers

23 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

social perception

Explanation:
See: Belief Systems and Social Perception Structures
http://www.trufax.org/general/beliefsystems.html

xxxjarry
South Africa
Local time: 10:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 50

Grading comment

Thanks, Jarry. I was spoiled for choice, but this seems best to me without too much jargon. FYI, OED does give perception as a process.

19 mins confidence:

form/shape/an overall picture of society

Explanation:
imho, the literal path rarely works with this kind of text.

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Note added at 1 hr 3 mins (2005-07-09 12:46:21 GMT)
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response to asker question:
but isn\'t consensus more of an agreement by those involved, than observation of those looking in... depends on how the text is constructed. it\'s hard to say much really helpful without seeing the whole text.am afraid you\'ll need the current buzzword \'societal\'.

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Note added at 1 hr 10 mins (2005-07-09 12:53:06 GMT)
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if you want to go with consensus (with is not the same as a beeld), then I\'d suggest societal consensus (is used a lot).but am still not convinced it\'s the right word for beeldvorming.

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Note added at 1 hr 17 mins (2005-07-09 12:59:33 GMT)
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thanks Sevan ;-)

writeaway
Local time: 10:40
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 19

1 hr confidence:

Forming a societal perspective

Explanation:
I think that if you translate this in this way you finish up with the idea of consensus forming.
The core of the democracy is, in fact, this process of forming a societal perspective whereby the individual's idea or suggestion, which is generally accepted by a smaller group...., is considered and discussed by the entire society.

Kate Hudson
Netherlands
Local time: 10:40
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 12

3 hrs confidence:

social construction

Explanation:
There are many things that can be shaped by social construction - a well-known example is 'the social construction of reality'. In this case it looks like just the process of social construction per sé.

Reference: http://search.1millionpapers.com/cgi-bin/query?mss=1millionp...

Tina Vonhof
Local time: 02:40
Native speaker of:

Dutch,

English
PRO pts in category: 8

3 hrs confidence:

public opinion formation

Explanation:
Chapter 1 of the book is actually available online at http://www.directe-democratie.be/publicaties/boek-verdiepen/... - I understand the author to be writing about the process by which ideas are disseminated in society and how that influences public opinion, hence the choice of 'public' instead of 'social' or 'societal'.

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Note added at 8 hrs 51 mins (2005-07-09 20:33:35 GMT)
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I\'m also mindful of the pairing \'maatschappelijk debat\' => \'public debate\'

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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs 5 mins (2005-07-10 16:47:29 GMT)
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Deborah - I understand your answer, but I have neutralled you because I\'m not judging the answer directly. You made a comment about \'perception\', which I interpreted as a reply to Jarry\'s use of that word. I agree with Jarry that perception is a process, but I am not entirely convinced that it is appropriate as a translation for \'beeldvorming\' for the reason stated in my comment to you and in your own notes. In other words, I agree with your diagnosis of the problem with \'beeldvorming\'/\'perception\', but do not feel qualified to comment on your answer, not being a sociologist. However, I do feel that your answer is better than any other offered so far, including my own, despite the ugliness of the word \'conceptualization\'.

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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs 38 mins (2005-07-10 17:20:23 GMT)
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This is the comment I made on Deborah\'s contribution, moved at her request: Yes, \'perception\' is a process, but a largely passive one, ISTM. \'Beeldvorming\' implies activity. The text clearly implies an active public/social process.

Reference: http://www.iog.ca/policity/CP/Public%20Library/library/Aiken...
Reference: http://www.essex.ac.uk/ecpr/events/jointsessions/paperarchiv...

David Haymes
Local time: 09:40
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

1 day2 hrs confidence:

social (societal or public) conceptualization

Explanation:
Seems to be an established term in sociology texts.

Consensus doesn't work for me for the reasons Jarry and writeway have cited.

The idea here is shaping - "forming a concept or idea"

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Note added at 1 day 2 hrs 57 mins (2005-07-10 14:39:55 GMT)
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Perception is our ability to be aware of something or how we interpret it, whist \"beeldvorming\" is the shaping or forming of the concept itself. To me, there\'s a difference we conceptualize (shape/form) and then have a perception. I agree it\'s a process that is subject to change but it does imply once there is a concept to become aware about not it\'s actually formation.

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Note added at 1 day 2 hrs 58 mins (2005-07-10 14:40:32 GMT)
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Erratum: its actual formation

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Note added at 1 day 3 hrs 0 min (2005-07-10 14:42:31 GMT)
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I think Kate has made that distinction - forming the societal perspective is indeed the idea - social conceptualization (ugly as I find the word) is however an etablished term for that in sociology.

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Note added at 1 day 5 hrs 46 mins (2005-07-10 17:28:30 GMT)
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