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English translation: (bureaucratic) needs of government


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Dutch term or phrase:logica van de overheid
English translation:(bureaucratic) needs of government
Entered by: David Haymes
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07:40 Sep 26, 2005
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Social Sciences - Government / Politics
Dutch term or phrase: logica van de overheid
Strange term to use here. Any ideas how to put it into plain understandable English? This is a leaflet about Binnenlandse Zaken's plans for 2006, which will focus on three themes: veiligheid, democratische vernieuwing and kwaliteit van de overheid. Introductory bit to the latter:

Burgers, bedrijven en instellingen hebben recht op een goede, tijdige en zorgvuldige dienstverlening. We zetten hierbij de belangen van de burgers en de bedrijven voorop, en niet de logica van de overheid. Ook hier geldt: minder regels, meer kwaliteit. ICT is een belangrijk instrument om de dienstverlening te verbeteren.
MoiraB
Local time: 10:40
the needs of government
Explanation:
The Dutch government is currently pursuing a programme of internal reform, called 'Andere Overheid', which is intended to improve the relationship between government and governed - by cutting red tape, simplifying regulations, etc. The second sentence in the quotation is about prioritising the interests of citizens and businesses over the needs of government. I've posted a link to the 'Andere Overheid' website.

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Note added at 9 hrs 58 mins (2005-09-26 17:38:51 GMT)
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'the bureaucratic needs of government' might be an improvement on my intial suggestion -see http://www.publicsectorit.ca/publications/PPFYear1Report-Jul... where this phrase appears.
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David Haymes
Local time: 09:40
Grading comment
"Bureaucratic logic" seems the most - er - logical option but I can't get over the fact that it seems so meaningless here. Rest of leaflet is written in a fairly straightforward, down-to-earth style so I think David's suggestion is most appropriate in this particular case. Thanks, everyone!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +5bureaucratic logic/reasoning
Dave Calderhead
3 +1government logicHarry Borsje
4logic of the StateEmilie
3the needs of governmentDavid Haymes
3Government ethos
Denimmish
3red tape
Johan Venter


  

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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
government logic


Explanation:
gets some relevant Googles too

or: government frame of reasoning

Harry Borsje
Netherlands
Local time: 10:40
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch

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agree  Stefan de Boeck: mais c'est seulement la logique gouvernementale, MoiraB!
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42 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
red tape


Explanation:
It seems to me that the idea of the text is to create a personal feeling and to make people understand that government will try to serve the people and companies, not the other way around as is sadly the case is most democracies. I would therefore opt for a more common term, being red tape, rather than a literal translation from Dutch.

Johan Venter
Local time: 10:40
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Government ethos


Explanation:
I think what is being referred to is the system and approach of the government. Citizens and companies are now being placed above the previously rigid guidelines of government. In other words the government is listening and changing.

Denimmish
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
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logic of the State


Explanation:
... questioned the logic of the state exempting itself from federal law...

... accept the conclusions of the security dilemma,
but rely on the logic of the state system itself to guarantee...

...anyone else confounded by the logic of the state in considering whether to grant health benefits to heterosexual partners...

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Note added at 1 hr 36 mins (2005-09-26 09:16:24 GMT)
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Thanks again.

There are several articles, web pages describing the logic of the state in modernity, state organizational structures...

Some others refer to the State and its international policy...

Maybe the web you refer to (posted by me) is really a bad example. Sorry for that! Sure STATE is not STATES (USA)!


Emilie
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  writeaway: overheids come and go, the State doesn't. don't think switching to State is a good idea here./your refs are USA and refer to US states, not the State (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05210/545385.stm)
2 mins
  -> Dank u, maar ik denk dat STATE ook komt en gaat. Niet vergeten dat STATE ook de "operations or activities of a central civil government" zijn. They may change as soon as politicians change, government's policy changes, etc.
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
bureaucratic logic/reasoning


Explanation:
refs - just a few of the very many google hits for both alternatives:

Oh ... Really? - Bipolarville: Bureaucratic Logic in the State of ...
Bureaucratic Logic in the State of Tennessee. I recently tried to re-certify my
son for TennCare. He has had this medical coverage since May 2001. ...
www.lissakay.com/index.php/weblog/ comments/bureaucratic-logic-in-the-state-of-tennessee

Bureaucratic logic in new social movement clothing: the limits of ...
This paper discusses theoretical, methodological and political problems in the
field of health promo...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve& db=PubMed&list_uids=1423122&dopt=Abstract

Berg Publishers - Nationalism and the Israeli State by Don Handelman
Nationalism and the Israeli State Bureaucratic Logic In Public Events ...
The Opening Event of Holocaust Remembrance Day: Bureaucratic Logic, Bureaucratic ...
www.bergpublishers.com/uk/book_page. asp?BKTitle=Nationalism%20and%20the%20Israeli%20State


or beaurocratic reasoning

refs:
Henry I. Miller: First Do No Harm
With quintessential bureaucratic reasoning, my supervisor refused to sign off on
the approval—even though he agreed that the data provided compelling ...
www.hooverdigest.org/004/miller.html

A Plague of Regulators
... the EPA does not list ticks or flies as threats to the public health, and only
bureaucratic reasoning gave cockroaches a place on the list. ...
www.cei.org/gencon/005,01774.cfm


Dave Calderhead
Netherlands
Local time: 10:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Harry Borsje
12 mins
  -> Thanks, Harry!
agree  Adela Van Gils: reasoning
57 mins
  -> Thanks, Adela.
agree  vixen
3 hrs
  -> Thanks, (:-{)>
agree  Tina Vonhof
3 hrs
  -> Thanks, Tina (:-|)>
agree  Saskia Steur
18 hrs
  -> Thanks, Saskia.
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
the needs of government


Explanation:
The Dutch government is currently pursuing a programme of internal reform, called 'Andere Overheid', which is intended to improve the relationship between government and governed - by cutting red tape, simplifying regulations, etc. The second sentence in the quotation is about prioritising the interests of citizens and businesses over the needs of government. I've posted a link to the 'Andere Overheid' website.

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Note added at 9 hrs 58 mins (2005-09-26 17:38:51 GMT)
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'the bureaucratic needs of government' might be an improvement on my intial suggestion -see http://www.publicsectorit.ca/publications/PPFYear1Report-Jul... where this phrase appears.


    Reference: http://www.andereoverheid.nl/andereoverheid/web
David Haymes
Local time: 09:40
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
"Bureaucratic logic" seems the most - er - logical option but I can't get over the fact that it seems so meaningless here. Rest of leaflet is written in a fairly straightforward, down-to-earth style so I think David's suggestion is most appropriate in this particular case. Thanks, everyone!
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Changes made by editors
Sep 26, 2005 - Changes made by Johan Venter:
FieldOther => Social Sciences
Field (specific)Other => Government / Politics


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