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Burgerservicenummer

English translation: citizen service number


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Dutch term or phrase:Burgerservicenummer
English translation:citizen service number
Entered by: Max Nuijens, MSc
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09:03 Nov 10, 2009
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Government / Politics / uitreksel GVB
Dutch term or phrase: Burgerservicenummer
HEt gaat om de vertaling van een uitreksel uit het GVB.
Is er een Engelse term voor burgerservicenummer of laat ik dat gewoon in het Nederlands staan?
Yvette van Ree
Local time: 04:23
citizen service number
Explanation:
This is how the Belastingdienst translate it on their own website.

"Obtaining the citizen service number (BSN)."

http://www.belastingdienst.nl/variabel/buitenland/en/citizen...
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Max Nuijens, MSc
Russian Federation
Local time: 06:23
Grading comment
This was quite a discussion.
Thank you all for your help.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +5citizen service number
Max Nuijens, MSc
4 -1National Insurance NumberGhislaine van der Burgt
3 -1Tax identification number
Lianne Wouters
Summary of reference entries provided
national identification number
Olly Pekelharing

Discussion entries: 3





  

Answers


3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Tax identification number


Explanation:
Er is meen ik niet echt een equivalent, maar dit wordt vaak gebruikt (vaak ook afgekort als TIN).

Lianne Wouters
Netherlands
Local time: 04:23
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Kate Hudson: a BSN covers much more than just tax
1 min
neutral  Chris Hopley: Agree with Kate, Also, the seems to be looking for a translation rather than an "equivalent".
4 mins
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34 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
citizen service number


Explanation:
This is how the Belastingdienst translate it on their own website.

"Obtaining the citizen service number (BSN)."

http://www.belastingdienst.nl/variabel/buitenland/en/citizen...

Max Nuijens, MSc
Russian Federation
Local time: 06:23
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 35
Grading comment
This was quite a discussion.
Thank you all for your help.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  David Walker: There is no equivalent in English so a direct translation is the best
18 mins
  -> thanks
agree  Chris Hopley: I agree with David too.
21 mins
  -> thanks
agree  Ghislaine van der Burgt: If the Belastingdienst are giving you the translation, then why make life hard for yourself by trying to come up with something else? Might as well use it!
26 mins
  -> thanks
agree  Olly Pekelharing: If this is the official government translation, then yes. See my comment in the discussion above.
31 mins
  -> thanks
neutral  writeaway: this is 'one' translation-one dico lists citizen's identification number which imo is better. keep the NL in any case /since it's the old SOFI no, it's an identification number - someone's service number sounds strange in English. sounds military.
42 mins
  -> thanks, but why is 'identification' better than 'service'? /Now I understand. Citizen's service. Well, in Dutch it sounds strange too. "Sofinummer" was much clearer.
agree  Neil Cross: I agree with Ghislaine. In golfing terms, it's a "gimme" :-)
1 hr
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50 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
National Insurance Number


Explanation:
You could use this, but it covers slightly different areas from the BSN, but it is an equivalent.
Failing that, I would refer to the original BSN and [reference] an explanation.


    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance_number
    Reference: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/nic/ynino.htm
Ghislaine van der Burgt
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:23
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  David Walker: Does not cover a wide enough area - not used for tax purposes
4 mins
  -> It is used for tax purposes, one needs it to get paid and to receive tax credits etc. I agree that it doesn't cover entirely, but it is the closest thing in the UK.
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Reference comments


18 mins peer agreement (net): +3
Reference: national identification number

Reference information:
More info here.


    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identification_number
Olly Pekelharing
Netherlands
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Chris Hopley
39 mins
disagree  Ghislaine van der Burgt: If you check under UK, it will say National Insurance Number, as per my suggestion.
46 mins
  -> Even if this is for a UK audience, as you say yourself the NI Number is not the same as a BSN.
agree  writeaway: I think that keeping the NL and using this in ( ) is the best solution. of course, it's not the "official" translation but this is clearer.
57 mins
agree  xxxSciMedit: If it was me, I'd keep the Dutch original and in brackets put the equivalent for the applicable country, if it exists.
3 hrs
agree  gypsyboy: The Burgeservicenummer is the tax and insurance number rolled into one. It must be used in all correspondence with the authorities. I would use the idea put forward by writeaway.
23 hrs
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Nov 16, 2009 - Changes made by Max Nuijens, MSc:
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