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English translation: to approach freedom

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12:31 Nov 9, 2011

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Dutch term or phrase: naar de vrijheid vorderen (19de-eeuws Nederlands)

Ik ben een artikel aan het vertalen waar stukjes 19de-eeuws Nederlands in voorkomen. Het meeste is wel duidelijk, maar ik struikel over de tweede zin in deze quote: "Het beginsel van vrijheid veroorzaakt oneindig meer kwaad dan goed [indien deze] bij eene weinig ontwikkelde en zedelooze bevolking wordt ingevoerd (…). Daarom moet, hoe meer men naar de vrijheid vordert, tevens het verstand ontwikkeld worden als onmisbaar vereischte ter voortbrenging; en een volk is slechts de vrijheid waard, naarmate het zedelijk verbeterd wordt."

Iemand een idee wat bedoeld wordt met "hoe meer men naar de vrijheid vordert" en met "voortbrenging"?

Joost Simons KudoZ activity Questions: 53 (none open) (1 without valid answers) (5 closed without grading) Answers: 91
Local time: 10:43

English translation:to approach freedom

Explanation:
... hoe meer men de vrijheid nadert ... / ... hoe meer men naar de vrijheid toegroeit ...

"For that reason, the more one approaches freedom, the more intellect should be developed as an essential component for advancement as well"

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Thanks a lot for the award.

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Serge Wolff
Netherlands
Local time: 10:43

Grading comment

Thanks Serge and everyone else. In the end I have used a combination of the various suggestions. Since Serge's solution comes closest to the one I used I have decided to award him the points.
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Summary of answers provided

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progress towards liberty

Kate Hudson

Development towards Liberty

Joab Eichenberg-Eilon

to approach freedom

Serge Wolff

evolueren naar

Ide Verhelst

Discussion entries: 2

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24 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

naar de vrijheid vorderen (19de-eeuws nederlands) progress towards liberty

Explanation:
For that reason, the more people progress towards liberty, the more the development of the intellectual capacity is needed as an essential component with regard to bringing that about'
Technically this is two questions but.... very related

Kate Hudson
Netherlands
Local time: 10:43
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 12

18 mins confidence:

naar de vrijheid vorderen (19de-eeuws nederlands) evolueren naar

Explanation:
Zo begrijp ik het.

==> naarmate er meer vrijheid komt/naarmate de vrijheid toeneemt

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Note added at 37 min (2011-11-09 13:09:52 GMT)
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O ja, ook nog een vertaling misschien ?

=> to evolve towards liberty

"But it was because he understood Western capitalism that he rejected it, refusing to believe that it could evolve towards liberty..."

"There are times in history, current times being one of those times, where the United States must step in to help countries evolve towards liberty..."

Example sentence(s):

... de wereldwijde erkenning van essentiële mensenrechten en een aanzienlijke rol speelden in het stilaan evolueren naar meer vrijheid in de Oostbloklanden...

Reference: http://users.skynet.be/sb176943/AndriesVandenAbeele/AVDA354....

Ide Verhelst
Local time: 10:43
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Dutch

1 day3 hrs confidence:

Development towards Liberty

Explanation:
Although "progress towards liberty" is a pretty good choice, reading the passage reminded me of John Stuart Mill, and here is what I found on the Wikepedia article about his notion of liberty:

"The qualitative account of happiness that Mill advocates thus sheds light on his account presented in On Liberty. As Mill suggests in that text, utility is to be conceived in relation to humanity "as a progressive being", which includes the development and exercise of rational capacities as we strive to achieve a "higher mode of existence". The rejection of censorship and paternalism is intended to provide the necessary social conditions for the achievement of knowledge and the greatest ability for the greatest number to develop and exercise their deliberative and rational capacities."

From this I take that liberty, in 19th century terms, is dependent on a process of development, hence my alternative suggestion of "development twoards liberty." In 20th-century terms I would use "fostering liberty."

Example sentence(s):

"The first impulse in the development towards liberty comes from men in whom natural impulse and liberty are in equilibrium, and who are consequently regarded as types. " (Fichte"
The development towards liberty would last the longer, the more powerful and triumphant the great opposition current of authority would become. (The anarchists: a picture of civilization at the close of the nineteenth century By Mackay & Reuter)

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill
Reference: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:A_Brief_History_of_Modern...

Joab Eichenberg-Eilon
Local time: 04:43
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Hebrew

2 hrs confidence:

to approach freedom

Serge Wolff
Netherlands
Local time: 10:43
Native speaker of:

Dutch
PRO pts in category: 2

Grading comment

Thanks Serge and everyone else. In the end I have used a combination of the various suggestions. Since Serge's solution comes closest to the one I used I have decided to award him the points.

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