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Dutch to English translations [PRO] Bus/Financial - Insurance
Dutch term or phrase:excedent
"In het voorstel van Generali is het excedent arbeidsongeschiktheidspensioen niet betrokken. Bij de vergelijking zullen wij deze kostencomponent bij Alliance ook weglaten."
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The Generali proposal does not deal with / relate to the surplus disability pension.......
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excess is fine too
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IF FACT the correct wording would be:
The Generali propOsal does not deal with (relate to) the disability pension surplus
In this sense surplus is the correct term.
Examples:
Whose Surplus Is It, Anyway? WASHINGTON (ELB 1999) - When a pension plan
with pre-determined benefit levels has a surplus, does ... www.saspc.com/art_712.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
Royal Ordnance Pensioners Association
The Pension Surplus* Scandal. During the period 1989 to 1998, Actuarial Reviews
of the RO Pension Fund showed the following \"surplus\" funding situations:-. ... www.cix.co.uk/~bicesterh3/ropa/surplus.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
Pension Surplus
... CIBC Mellon issued T-4A slips to all members of the McMaster Salaried Pension Plan
who participated in the pension surplus distribution and received some or ... www.workingatmcmaster.ca/ link.php?link=Job+Matters%3ASurplus - 19k - 17 Feb 2005 - Cached - Similar pages
Ownership of pension surplus
... For simplicity, I have defined that a pension surplus occurs when… ... In any dispute
over pension surplus, there is the necessity of expert actuarial reports. ... www.ucalgary.ca/MG/inrm/finplan/ retire/surplus/pension_surplus.htm - 53k - Cached - Similar pages
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And what about Belgian authors or chocolates Fred, surely they ring a bell? What is this site coming too when people have to get so petty - if you dare to say Flemish there are those that argue that the term is Belgian Dutch, I mean really?!
If you have a valid neutral or disagree about the quality of the actual answer provided, by all means, but if this is the best you can offer just because the answer overlaps with yours - and in event in light of what Jarry has now written may even be wrong too - I give up, how close-minded can one get?
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About 60% of the Belgians use Dutch (=\"Nederlands\") as offical standard language, which is a Germanic language. They live in the north of Belgium. \"Dutch\" (Nederlands\") is NOT the same like \"Deutsch\" (=\"German\"), although they have a common Germanic origin. In Belgium Dutch is sometimes wrongly called \"Flemish\". There indeed exist some Flemish regional languages and dialects, but there doesn\'t exist a Flemish standard language. Like Flemish regional languages and dialects are familiar with Dutch, people who live in Flanders use Dutch as official standard language.
From the Indo-European family of languages, the Germanic dialects, and by the year 400 AD after a further differentiation, the West Germanic dialects had emerged. The Dutch language, like English, Frisian and German developed out of these Germanic dialects.
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Call it what you want - a language, a dialect - the debate frankly doesn\'t interest me
Fact is the forum has a specific section for what is popularly referred to as Flemish and the asker might have been more successful in placing his question there. For that reason and for that reason alone I pointed that out.
He chose for whatever reason not to.
He still received the same assistance from the answerers nonetheless.
What is the point in placing a neutral on somebody\'s answer (given regardless) for pointing out a text appears to have originated in Belgium when the Belgian government itself doesn\'t term the language Flemish?
If the \"competition\" goes to people\'s heads to this level that they have to scrounge to find neutrals and disagrees - more the pity.
Stick to the linguistic issues of the answer itself. Don\'t bore us with irrelevancies at this time of night please.
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Note for Jarry: - now that we can get back to the serious business of translating!
Hi there,
Starting to think along your suggested lines but wouldn\'t a top-up pension scheme be something along the lines of a \"bovenminimale (pensioen)regeling\"?
Tks
Debs
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Mr ten Berge now deems it necessary to disagree when he previously placed an irrelevant neutral - oh well whatever keeps such a \"serious linguist\" and \"genuine Dutchman\" happy I suppose - still don\'t see what it has to do with the answer provided which coincidentally neatly overlaps with his own! Wonder who has KudoZitis now?
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I fully understand that one can become passionate about the name afforded a language or dialect - fact is no-one here created the issues you take so seriously - so lobby the Eurocrats in that regard or start and/or continue a forum thread if you must bring it onto site - to neutral and then later disagree with an answer on that basis without providing anything to negate the substance of the answer ITSELF - and ESPECIALLY when you have provided the same answer is nothing other than petty and close-minded.
It was merely pointed out to asker that the text appeared to have originated from Belgium (i.e. Belgian) so that he could consder reposting it to the Flemish site and wow and behold we have ANOTHER storm in a teacup about nothing.
I\'d normally agree with an answer that is similar to my own. I haven\'t here with yours for the simple reason I think Jarry may in fact be correct and I\'m still debating the point.
And just for the record, I likewise think Marijke\'s coining of the phrase ProZitis is hysterical - perhaps the difference is I can laugh at myself. Try it sometimes - and take a well-deserved break from being such a serious linquist (sorry you must have meant linguist)....;-)
Thanks to all for all the learned contributions, even if the syntax got a little heated here and there. Looking at the entire context, I have decided to go with this answer. The Belgian origion of the text, where "excedent" is probaly a variation of the French "excédant" (surplus, excess) also helps. 4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer
Who would have thought that a simple Belgian question would raise such a storm of "expertise". I certainly could not afford to pay for all this brainpower.
Hi Alexander. Who would have thought your question would trigger such an acrimonuous debate? Reminds of the D/M episode of a couple years back. Look forward to seeing in CT soon.
Explanation: Supplementary Scheme: A scheme to provide benefits over and above the benefits given under another scheme. Also called a Top-up Scheme. In the UK, may often refer to an unapproved scheme.
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http://money.msn.co.uk/MyMoney/Insight/MoneySpinner/ThisWeek...
S2P is an earnings-related pension top-up scheme, introduced in 2002. It is paid IN ADDITION TO the basic state pension and replaces an earlier scheme, called the State Earnings-Related Pension Scheme, or Serps, which was abolished in April 2002 (although Serps benefits accrued up to that date will be paid at retirement).
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http://www.eiro.eurofound.eu.int/1998/12/feature/fr9812147f....
This law was the result of a debate launched by insurance companies in the early 1990s and aimed to:
provide private sector workers with a \"third-tier\" optional complementary top-up scheme based on pension funds (capitalisation) - ie, whereby individual workers save for their own retirement - in parallel to the \"pay-as-you-go\" basic scheme and compulsory complementary schemes;
xxxjarry South Africa Local time: 07:38 Specializes in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 152
7 hrs confidence:
excludes (in this context)
Explanation: I mainly agree with the other answerers here, but sometimes life is refreshingly simple. For the purposes of readability, you could possibly reword the sentence saying that the insurance excludes (in this context) DISABILITY (INCAPACITY FOR WORK)
ONTARIO IRONWORKERS BENEFIT PLAN - When You Retire
... Full coverage (does not include disability insurance), $65. Partial coverage (includes
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circa 122 Google hits voor "excludes disability"
Marijke Mayer Netherlands Local time: 07:38 Native speaker of: Dutch PRO pts in category: 6
The translation workplace 
peer agreement (net): +2
