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Dutch term or phrase:	document op plaat (in context)
English translation:	collection
Entered by:	Johan Venter

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08:35 Oct 18, 2005

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Dutch term or phrase: document op plaat (in context)

Hi,

I'm translating a recording contract and some additional correspondence for a recording company.

As background there is a Dutch band XXXX.

The relevant portion of the text is:

Vervolgens komt er op 12 November een document op plaat uit van XXXX.

The text then importantly goes on to say:

De titel is "YYYY"; dit zal bestaan uit een zeer luxe 2CD-box meet een 14 pagina's tellend boekje vol met interessante feiten over XXX en nog niet eerder uitgebracht plaatmateriaal....

"Document op plaat" shows up twice on Google in a CTP publishing context but I can't bring that together with the fact that this consists of the CD's AND the booklet.

Any help much appreciated.

Tks
Debbie

Lawyer-Linguist KudoZ activity Questions: 88 (none open) (3 closed without grading) Answers: 597 Portugal
Local time: 08:08

Collection

Selected response from:

Johan Venter
Local time: 09:08

Grading comment

Thanks - this worked best in context and covered all bases
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +4

recorded document

Jack den Haan

record set/box set

Dave Calderhead

3 +1

Collection

Johan Venter

set of previously unreleased tracks

DutchConnection

record

unit05

Discussion entries: 4

Answers

8 mins confidence:

record

Explanation:
According to me "document op plaat" is bad managerial Dutch for "een plaat". As far as I can comprehend this band XXXX will bring out a new record (een plaat) on Nov. 12th.
It seems the "document op" has been added to give some glamour to it. You know, it's not *just* a record... it's a document on record, with booklet, and jewel box and so on.

unit05
Local time: 09:08
Native speaker of:

Flemish

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

recorded document

Explanation:
Googling on 'recorded document' in combination with 'music' results in about 670 hits, for example:
BRIDGE 9087 Jan DeGaetani: Early Music Recital
Early Music Recital. Order from ArkivMusic.com: ... DeGaetani brought to so many
contemporary scores serve her beautifully in this well-recorded document. ...
www.bridgerecords.com/9087.htm - 12k - In cache - Gelijkwaardige pagina's

lomax site
Inspired by such a wealth of traditional music, the Lomaxes published ...
remains a classic recorded document of African American musical history (it was ...
www.alan-lomax.com/about_bio.html - 23k - In cache - Gelijkwaardige pagina's

Ghana - Music
A large selection of Ghanian music for sale. ... a masterfully selected & recorded
document of recent performances of traditional & modern recreational ...
www.africaguide.com/country/ghana/music.htm - 32k - In cache - Gelijkwaardige pagina's

Cadence Jazz Records/Music/Jazz/CD's/Cadence
Cadence Jazz Records, the home of magic music since 1980. ... Recorded live in
Prague, we are indeed fortunate for the recorded document. ...
www.cadencebuilding.com/cadence/cjr.html - 48k - In cache - Gelijkwaardige pagina's

I think this term could be applicable in this case!

Jack den Haan
Netherlands
Local time: 09:08
Native speaker of:

Dutch,

English
PRO pts in category: 11

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Dave Calderhead: //Dont, mention it (:-{)> / I think the term Kenneth might be referring to is "back catalogue", which would be a very free translation,

5 mins

-> Thanks Dave! // Thanks again Dave!

agree

Ken Cox: Or perhaps 'documentary recording' -- from the context it sounds like a sort of retrospective package (more than just the 'best of'). But there's probably a trade jargon term for it...

13 mins

-> Yes certainly! Even more googles for that too...

neutral

DutchConnection: I thought a back catalogue was a re-release of tracks released in the past but 'out of print' since. This concerns previously unreleased tracks. I personally don't like the literal translation: "...will release a recorded document of XXX."

1 hr

-> You may a point there. Thanks!

agree

writeaway: and with Kenneth

2 hrs

-> Thanks!

agree

mariette

7 hrs

-> Bedankt Mariëtte!

40 mins confidence:

set of previously unreleased tracks

Explanation:
This is followed on 12 November with a set of previously unreleased XXX tracks.
... luxury 2 CD boxed set of previously unreleased tracks by XXX together with a 14-page booklet packed with interesting facts about the band/group/singer.

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[Personal note: Some of you already know me, a fledgling ProZ member, under my real name of E.. S.., but I decided I should be more discreet about my identity on the web. I probably watch too many scary movies.]

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Note added at 1 hr 3 mins (2005-10-18 09:38:40 GMT)
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Note to writeaway: From the context, document is used in the sense of 'history' here. Clue 1: Recording contract + additional correspondence. Clue 2: 'Vervolgens' = first action after the recording contract. No songs yet recorded under the new contract. 'Document of plaat' = history of XXX's existing material. Clue 3: the fact that this is previously unreleased material is given in '...en nog niet eerder uitgebracht plaatmateriaal'. My reason for not looking up the term e.g. on the web is because to my mind it is used in a very individual or 'hip' way here by the author, therefore I'd translate it from its context, not literally, buy according to the sense.

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Note added at 1 hr 8 mins (2005-10-18 09:44:08 GMT)
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PS How about a ProZ dual language grammar-checker; hope you can understand my double-Dutch above: of = op, buy = but.

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Note added at 3 hrs 8 mins (2005-10-18 11:43:53 GMT)
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Hi Dave, I know, the unnecessary double adjective rears its ugly head, 'previously unreleased', it's what you got smacked for in English class, but it's the standard term in the record industry, double everything! So I'd use it for this client.

DutchConnection
Local time: 08:08
Native speaker of:

English,

Dutch

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Collection

Explanation:
Reading through all the ifs and buts of the previous answers I think collection would be a neutral and flexible term, often used in the music industry anyways. This can obviously include hits, previously unreleased tracks and perhaps the odd new track.

Reference: http://www.pmoorcroft.freeserve.co.uk/allright.htm
Reference: http://home.tiscali.nl/t089148/capcas/collectioncd.htm

Johan Venter
Local time: 09:08
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

Grading comment

Thanks - this worked best in context and covered all bases

10 mins confidence:

record set/box set

Explanation:
I think record set is the older term but could still be used if you want avoid box[ed] set that is more common nowadays.

Amazon.com: The Complete Ella Fitzgerald Song Books [BOX SET]: Music
Also, the "Best of the Songbooks" CDs are quite good, though I have some alternate favorites ... I even have the double record set that she did with Louie. ...
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ tg/detail/-/B0000046RN?v=glance

Oldies.com & Collectables Records : Box Sets
Collectables Records Oldies.com is your direct source for Audio CD Box Sets ...
Encyclopedia Of Doo Wop, Volume 5 (4-CD Box Set+Book) (Box Set with Book) ...
www.oldies.com/format/view.cfm/format_box-sets.html

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Note added at 27 mins (2005-10-18 09:02:37 GMT)
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From the context of the two Dutch references given by Google for "document op plaat" the inferred meaning is "recording" or "record" as Daniel also suggeted while I was preparing my answer.
However, the remainder of the context led me to suggest
record set

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Note added at 1 hr 29 mins (2005-10-18 10:04:26 GMT)
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In his agreement with Jack, Kenneth mentions 'more than just the best of ..', which in media/recording trade jargon is 'BACK CATALOGUE'

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Note added at 1 hr 39 mins (2005-10-18 10:14:29 GMT)
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Some references:
so perhaps: 'BACK CATALOGUE [RECORD[INGS]/BOX SET]

some refs:
In lieu of providing back catalogue recordings you may provide a. CD sampler with key singles from past recordings. *. You may choose to transfer the ...
www.muchmoremusic.com/promofact/EPKcriteria.pdf

Recording Industry heads meet Polish governmentAmended copyright law to protect back-catalogue recordings and bring Poland into line with EU and international copyright laws. If the Polish Copyright Law ...
www.ifpi.org/site-content/press/19991021.html

Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | New fans put Beatles on ...The two Anthology albums have so far sold 13m copies between them worldwide, and back catalogue recordings such as Rubber Soul and Sergeant Pepper a total ...
www.guardian.co.uk/thebeatles/ story/0,11212,606554,00.html

or even 'back catalog [record[ings]/box set]' in the US:

Recording Industry Association of America
... piracy ring which, without authorization, licensed European and other international companies to reproduce and sell well-known back catalog recordings. ...
www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/press1999/110999.asp

Must-Have Recordings
The enormous volume of back-catalog recordings being released and compilations being assembled on disc means that music fans can more easily explore new ...
www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0150519.html

Elephant Talk: The Fripp Side
What is shocking is the music industry's apparent tendency to overlook such difficulties when preparing back-catalog recordings for CD reissue. ...
www.elephant-talk.com/articles/fripp-st.htm

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Note added at 8 hrs 7 mins (2005-10-18 16:42:19 GMT)
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'[boxed] set of material from XXXX'

Dave Calderhead
Netherlands
Local time: 09:08
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

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