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een concern-onderdeel van Politie Nederland

English translation: a central coordinating division of the Dutch Police


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Dutch term or phrase:een concern-onderdeel van Politie Nederland
English translation:a central coordinating division of the Dutch Police
Entered by: Dave Calderhead
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08:08 Nov 17, 2005
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Dutch term or phrase: een concern-onderdeel van Politie Nederland
Context is the idea of linking up the databases of intelligence and investigation services to facilitate exchange of information, based on the system introduced by the US Department of Homeland Security. Text discusses various obstacles that exist in the Netherlands.

Een derde barrière vormt het politiebestel zoals dat in Nederland bestaat. De KLPD, het landelijke politiekorps, functioneert nog niet echt als **een concern-onderdeel van Politie Nederland**. De verschillende korpsen hebben een grote autonomie, bijvoorbeeld op het gebied van informatievoorziening, waardoor gegevensuitwisseling vaak niet goed mogelijk is. Er wordt inmiddels wel samengewerkt aan een gemeenschappelijke ICT-infrastructuur, maar zolang de werkprocessen en de organisatie-inrichting niet tegelijkertijd worden aangepast, zal de nieuwe infrastructuur nauwelijks effect sorteren.

I understand that the Dutch police consists of 25 regional police forces and the National Police Services Agency (KLPD), but am having trouble interpreting this phrase. Integral part of the Dutch national police force? Any help appreciated.
MoiraB
Local time: 13:57
central service of the Dutch Police
Explanation:
some refs;

Central Scotland Police: Primary Inspection 2000: page 9
The response by the partnership was to open a new community police office in ...
These figures include officers on secondment to central service and other ...
www.scotland.gov.uk/hmic/docs/csp-09.asp
Metropolitan Police Service - Deputy Commissioner's Command
Metropolitan Police Service - Working together for a safer London ... employment law issues and providing a central service around employment legislation ...
www.met.police.uk/DCC/dcc_departments.htm

Scottish Police College
The Scottish Police College, located at Tulliallan Castle, ... In addition, it provides a central service in relation to a range of police training matters, ...
www.tulliallan.police.uk/ online_docs/freedom/freeinfo2.html


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or maybe even a 'coordinating division/unit' if that is one of its primary roles
Selected response from:

Dave Calderhead
Netherlands
Local time: 13:57
Grading comment
I like Siobhan's simple solution, but it doesn't really offer much contrast with the sentence that follows, so I'm opting for Dave's coordinating idea. Thanks, everyone.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +2a business unit of Dutch Police Inc.Harry Borsje
3 +1independent unit
Siobhan Schoonhoff-Reilly
4central service of the Dutch Police
Dave Calderhead
4a division of the Dutch Police(force)Benno Groeneveld
3a subsidiary of the Netherlands Police Corporation
DutchConnection


  

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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
central service of the Dutch Police


Explanation:
some refs;

Central Scotland Police: Primary Inspection 2000: page 9
The response by the partnership was to open a new community police office in ...
These figures include officers on secondment to central service and other ...
www.scotland.gov.uk/hmic/docs/csp-09.asp
Metropolitan Police Service - Deputy Commissioner's Command
Metropolitan Police Service - Working together for a safer London ... employment law issues and providing a central service around employment legislation ...
www.met.police.uk/DCC/dcc_departments.htm

Scottish Police College
The Scottish Police College, located at Tulliallan Castle, ... In addition, it provides a central service in relation to a range of police training matters, ...
www.tulliallan.police.uk/ online_docs/freedom/freeinfo2.html


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or maybe even a 'coordinating division/unit' if that is one of its primary roles

Dave Calderhead
Netherlands
Local time: 13:57
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 44
Grading comment
I like Siobhan's simple solution, but it doesn't really offer much contrast with the sentence that follows, so I'm opting for Dave's coordinating idea. Thanks, everyone.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Harry Borsje: as a general comment to your comments on this page: maybe it's because we love to regard ourselves as merchants, but when the source uses 'concern' I think there is no doubt the author regards the police organisation as a business
1 hr
  -> Regarding it as a business, does not make it a business. Asker even uses the word service correctly in the KLPD English name - the irony is that it does not yet fully operate as a coordinating service, due to the independence level of the regional corps.
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
a business unit of Dutch Police Inc.


Explanation:
een mogelijkheid; het gaat om het overbrengen van het idee, dat alle onderdelen, net als in een bedrijf, gezamenlijk aan dezelfde doelstelling werken

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Note added at 13 mins (2005-11-17 08:22:15 GMT)
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deze site (http://www.politie.nl/Overige/English/ met een slechte Engelse sectie) had je zo te zien al gevonden; het lijkt mij niet dat Politie Nederland een officiële term is, dus bovenstaande interpretatie lijkt me toegestaan

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@all: ik 'mis' in de brontekst eigenlijk de toevoeging Politie Nederland *B.V.* (net zoals je spreekt over de B.V. Nederland als we het b.v. hebben over onze economie vs. lage-lonenlanden), vandaar dat ik deze vertaling zou kiezen; Corp. mag natuurlijk ook

Harry Borsje
Netherlands
Local time: 13:57
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 15

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Dave Calderhead: I think you have to avoid the suggestion that the police is a business enterprise, Harry, even if it is being organised along those lines..
5 mins

agree  Luuk Arens: but I would leave Politie Nederland as it is and add 'integrated'
5 mins

agree  Ken Cox: agree with the general tenor. 'Politie Nederland' is certainly not an official term, and the capitalisation in the source text gives it a special flavour, but not an 'Inc'. perhaps 'a business unit of the Dutch Police enterprise'.
24 mins
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
a subsidiary of the Netherlands Police Corporation


Explanation:
Another option for the original constructed term.

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Note added at 1 hr 18 mins (2005-11-17 09:27:01 GMT)
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a subsidiary of the Dutch Police Corporation

DutchConnection
Local time: 12:57
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Dave Calderhead: What is this Dutch obsession with calling the police a business - it is a service - every [honest] person wants it, but few want to pay for - that is why the service is funded from taxes. Being organised LIKE a business does not make it a business (:-{)>
7 mins
  -> Quite! Try asking the author why he's using this approach!
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
independent unit


Explanation:
I think this sentence requires rephrasing in English: The KLPD...... still operates as an independent unit within the Dutch police force.

Siobhan Schoonhoff-Reilly
Local time: 13:57
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 21

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Dave Calderhead: Good solution, Siobhan (:-{)>
14 hrs
  -> Thank you Dave.
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
a division of the Dutch Police(force)


Explanation:
houdt het redelijk neutraal. Force zou aan politie kunnen worden toegevoegd, is een zeer gebruikelijke term hier in de VS.

Benno Groeneveld
Local time: 07:57
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch, Native in EnglishEnglish
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