https://www.proz.com/kudoz/dutch-to-english/other/396876-de-facto-maken-hier-gemandateerde-deskundigen-de-dienst-uit.html
This site uses cookies. Some of these cookies are essential to the operation of the site, while others help to improve your experience by providing insights into how the site is being used. For more information, please see the ProZ.com privacy policy.
Cookie settings
  1. KudoZ™ Top
  2. Dutch to English

de facto maken hier gemandateerde deskundigen de dienst uit

English translation: authorised

GLOSSARY ENTRY (DERIVED FROM QUESTION BELOW)
Dutch term or phrase:gemandateerd
English translation:authorised
Entered by: MoiraB

14:22 Mar 25, 2003
Dutch to English translations [Non-PRO]
Dutch term or phrase: de facto maken hier gemandateerde deskundigen de dienst uit
Could this last sentence below mean something like 'The experts involved will in fact be given a mandate'?

De omgang met de technologie
Voor wat betreft de beleidsvorming op dit terrein gaat het om discussies voor deskundigen, die zich moeten kunnen verantwoorden voor hun keuzen. Een leidinggevende zal op zo’n terrein ook wel eens contra-expertise vragen. Het gaat om discussies met andere deskundigen eindigend in notities met alternatieven en een onderbouwde keuze. Vervolgens dient legitimatie plaats te vinden op een hoger niveau bijvoorbeeld op dat van de leiding van de betrokken stafafdelingen - adviserend - en formeel op dat van de plaatsvervangend Secretaris Generaal. De facto maken hier gemandateerde deskundigen de dienst uit.
MoiraB
France
Local time: 00:31
Effectively, authorised specialists are in charge here.
Explanation:
...
Selected response from:

jarry (X)
South Africa
Local time: 00:31
Grading comment
'call the shots' is good, admittedly, but far too lively an image for this dry, boring text. This is a good neutral alternative. Thanks to Elisabeth for waking me up to the fact that 'de dienst uitmaken' had a figurative meaning. Just hadn't filtered through to my weary brain.
2 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +4Effectively, authorised specialists are in charge here.
jarry (X)
3 +2the department actually consists of appointed experts
writeaway
4In reality/in fact, the commissioned experts' opinion will prevail
Elisabeth Toda-v.Galen
3The experts are the real policy makers
Antoinette vH


  

Answers


3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
the department actually consists of appointed experts


Explanation:
my suggestion

writeaway
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in pair: 1352

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Adam Smith: or consists de facto...
3 mins
  -> I was tempted by de facto but opted for the non-latin
agree  AllisonK (X): maybe effectively instead of actually?
25 mins
  -> no I prefer actually in this case. is closer to the Latin
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
Effectively, authorised specialists are in charge here.


Explanation:
...

jarry (X)
South Africa
Local time: 00:31
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 3855
Grading comment
'call the shots' is good, admittedly, but far too lively an image for this dry, boring text. This is a good neutral alternative. Thanks to Elisabeth for waking me up to the fact that 'de dienst uitmaken' had a figurative meaning. Just hadn't filtered through to my weary brain.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jacqueline van der Spek
2 mins
agree  poldergirl (X)
2 hrs
agree  Tina Vonhof (X): or 'call the shots'.
12 hrs
  -> Yes, that idiom fits perfectly here.
agree  LouisV (X)
14 hrs
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

20 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
In reality/in fact, the commissioned experts' opinion will prevail


Explanation:
de dienst uitmaken : they are the boss
De facto can also be used in english

Elisabeth Toda-v.Galen
France
Local time: 00:31
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in pair: 75
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

47 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
The experts are the real policy makers


Explanation:
the actual policy makers
the true policy makers

Antoinette vH
France
Local time: 00:31
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in pair: 15
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)



Login or register (free and only takes a few minutes) to participate in this question.

You will also have access to many other tools and opportunities designed for those who have language-related jobs (or are passionate about them). Participation is free and the site has a strict confidentiality policy.

Return to KudoZ list

KudoZ™ translation help

The KudoZ network provides a framework for translators and others to assist each other with translations or explanations of terms and short phrases.

See also:
ProZ.com term search
Search millions of term translations