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16:02 Feb 7, 2003
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English term or phrase: commonest vs.more common
Which is correct and why? I found some contraversial information in a textbook and want to ask this question.
Mark Vaintroub
Local time: 19:19
English translation:See explanation
Explanation:

The standard rule is that adjectives of two syllables end in -er and -est for the comparative and superlative. But there are exceptions. A well-respected writer on English usage, Michael Swan, states: "With many two-syllable adjectives (e.g. polite, common), -er/-est and more/most are both possible. To find out the normal comparative and superlative for a particular two-syllable adjective, check in a good dictionary.
I checked the Concise Oxford and it gives -er/est. So your book follows the Concise Oxford, i.e. "the commonest". But as Michael Swan said, both are possible, which means that educated native speakers use both forms.

I agree with Alison and Fuad that both are possible. And I agree with Peter that “of one thing I am sure, however, any textbook that "totally rejects" most common is suspect.”
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Kim Metzger
Mexico
Local time: 18:19
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The thing is that I studied all the adjective rules when I was a student (more than 20 years ago). And I have Michael Swan's book. I know that with many two-syllable adjectives (e.g. polite, common), -er/-est and more/most are both possible. I was surprised that the book claims that only one form is right. And I had to explain to a student that the authors of textbooks can be wrong as well...

THANX TO EVERYBODY!
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4 +9See explanation
Kim Metzger
5 +6commonest is a superlative
Alison Riddell
5 +4common, more common (or commoner), most common (or commonest)Fuad Yahya
5 +4Commonest is not proper EnglishPeter Coles
5 +3Both
Nikki Graham


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commonest is a superlative


Explanation:
whereas more common is comparative.

They are not the same. Commonest would be the same as most common (a synonym), and both are equally correct.

HTH

Alison

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Sparrows are the most common (commonest) type of small birds in my neighborhood, whereas blackbirds are more common in the next town.

Perhaps commonest is more usual in spoken speech.



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\"Frequently Asked Questions

Words

What are the commonest English words?

The only way to measure this is to analyse a large collection (or `corpus\') of texts, but lists based on different collections (or `corpora\') tend to disagree about even the top ten words in English.\"

http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutwords/common... (the Oxford dictionary site)

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After discussing this briefly with my US husband, it would appear that this is another example of the great pond divide. Whereas I (UK) would say that commonest is fine, albeit more colloquial and certainly more spoken than written, my (US) hubby says that he would never say \"commonest\".

Alison Riddell
Local time: 01:19
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

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agree  xxxEDLING
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agree  Armorel Young: yes, absolutely, as Alison says people might well use commonest in everyday speech and most common in writing
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agree  xxxIno66
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agree  sylphw
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agree  Hugo
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Commonest is not proper English


Explanation:
At least not proper UK English in which the correct term is "most common".

"Most common" is a superlative, i.e. an extreme.

"More common" is a comparative, i.e. something is more common than something else.

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Response to Mark\'s clarification ...

Languages change, especially English. They change at different rates and in different ways in different linguistic communities. Spoken language tends to lead the way.

Over-generalisation of the -est rule for superlatives happens, even in here in the UK! But as soon as I saw your question I winced, and so would never right it, though it may be more acceptable in other variants of English.

Of one thing I am sure, however, any textbook that \"totally rejects\" most common is suspect. Go on ... tell us which one it is.

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Ouch. I meant to say that I would never \"write\" commonest. Shows how easy it is to slip into poor English if you\'re not careful :-)

Peter Coles
Local time: 00:19
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

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agree  Refugio: I too (in the US) was taught that 'commonest' is not proper English. It was grudgingly classified as colloquial usage, but not to be used in writing or formal situations.
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agree  zebung: Ditto on that. We Yankees really screw it up for everyone, don't we ;-)
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agree  Allison Klein: thank you! I thought I was going batty
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agree  Rusinterp
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neutral  Tanja Abramovic: Ruth, are you sure it was not the other way round in case of US English? The "Oxf. Ill. American Dict." (1998) and "Webster' s Enc. Unabr. D." (2001) register only "commoner/commonest".
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common, more common (or commoner), most common (or commonest)


Explanation:
Being a two-syllable adjective, "common" can normatively take the -er and -est endings. However, people seem to prefer to stay away from "commoner" because it can be confused with the noun "commoner," which means "a person without noble rank or title." Therefore, you will see that "more common" is more common than "commoner." "Most common" is also preferred by most, probably to parallel "more common."


Fuad

Fuad Yahya
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic, Native in EnglishEnglish
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agree  Refugio
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agree  Kardi Kho
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agree  Wit: "to undestand is to forgive" they say, even when there is nothing to
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agree  Rusinterp
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See explanation


Explanation:

The standard rule is that adjectives of two syllables end in -er and -est for the comparative and superlative. But there are exceptions. A well-respected writer on English usage, Michael Swan, states: "With many two-syllable adjectives (e.g. polite, common), -er/-est and more/most are both possible. To find out the normal comparative and superlative for a particular two-syllable adjective, check in a good dictionary.
I checked the Concise Oxford and it gives -er/est. So your book follows the Concise Oxford, i.e. "the commonest". But as Michael Swan said, both are possible, which means that educated native speakers use both forms.

I agree with Alison and Fuad that both are possible. And I agree with Peter that “of one thing I am sure, however, any textbook that "totally rejects" most common is suspect.”



    Michael Swan, Practical English Usage
Kim Metzger
Mexico
Local time: 18:19
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 187
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The thing is that I studied all the adjective rules when I was a student (more than 20 years ago). And I have Michael Swan's book. I know that with many two-syllable adjectives (e.g. polite, common), -er/-est and more/most are both possible. I was surprised that the book claims that only one form is right. And I had to explain to a student that the authors of textbooks can be wrong as well...

THANX TO EVERYBODY!

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agree  xxxEDLING
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agree  Refugio
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agree  Nikita Kobrin
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agree  Peter Coles: you smoothie you :-) Both Swan and the Concise Oxford are unimpeachable and hold important positions on my bookshelf too.
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agree  Kardi Kho: more common and most common are more frequent - the OED
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agree  Allison Klein: agree with Peter (Oxford is indispensable, need to look into finding Swan here in Holland!)
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agree  Rusinterp
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agree  Tanja Abramovic: Completely agree. Both are possible and a good dictionary is always indispensable. "Webster' s Enc. Unabr.Dict."( 2001), however, registers just "commoner/commonest".
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agree  vixen
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Both


Explanation:
common and commoner, more common and most common are correct.

The rule is that one syllable adjectives add -er and -est
two or more syllables add more or most

However, two syllable adjectives ending in "y" (e.g. pretty) also add -er and -est, changing the "y" to "i" .

So, common should fall into the two syllable category not ending in "y" which uses more and most for comparative and superlative. However, like all good languages I know, English has exceptions to the rules and common is one of them, along with narrow, clever, noble and probably some more I can't remember.


    Reference: http://online.northumbria.ac.uk/central_departments/student_...
Nikki Graham
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:19
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

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agree  Yelena McCafferty: absolutely!
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  -> Thanks - this is what you see most often in textbooks

agree  Rusinterp
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agree  Tanja Abramovic: Definitely both! All the textbooks that I have say so (Swan, Graver, Thomson/Martinet)."Oxford Illustrated American Dict.", (1998) however, registers just "commoner/commonest".
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