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English term or phrase:	advanced craft certificate in brickwork
French translation:	Certificat supérieur d\'aptitude professionnelle en maçonnerie
Entered by:	transland

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10:00pm Mar 12, 2008

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English term or phrase: advanced craft certificate in brickwork

Can I translate it as "certificat supérieur d'aptitude professionnelle en maçonnerie"? It is the word "advanced" that disturbs me most.

Thanks in advance for your help.

transland

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France

Brevet (de Technicien) Supérieur en maçonnerie / d'aptitude professionnelle en maçonnerie

Explanation:
On traduit souvent certificate / certification par Brevet

Supérieur va bien pour Advanced

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BTS, en fait

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Ccilb77
France

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Many thanks to all.
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Brevet (de Technicien) Supérieur en maçonnerie / d'aptitude professionnelle en maçonnerie

Ccilb77

certificat d' aptitude professionnele(CAP)en maçonnerie

cenek tomas

BEP maçonnerie

Tony M

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17 mins confidence:

certificat d' aptitude professionnele(CAP)en maçonnerie

Explanation:
C' est notre CAP, CAP mécanique...Advanced signifie ici professionnelle.Ce n' est plus du bricolage.

cenek tomas
France
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 4

Notes to answerer

Asker: I actually have 2 almost identical certificates to translate: one is with "advanced" and the other is without it.

11 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

Brevet (de Technicien) Supérieur en maçonnerie / d'aptitude professionnelle en maçonnerie

Explanation:
On traduit souvent certificate / certification par Brevet

Supérieur va bien pour Advanced

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Note added at 54 minutes (2008-03-12 22:54:06 GMT)
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BTS, en fait

Ccilb77
France
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 4

Note from asker to answerer

Many thanks to all.

24 mins confidence:

BEP maçonnerie

Explanation:
According to the hierarchy of courses at the Apprentice training Centre I work with, the BEP would be the next stage up from the CAP, and so would be more or less equivalent to the 'advanced' status of this certificate.

Quite what you do about 'brickwork' I am not sure, but possible 'maçonnerie' would do the trick, even though that could be open to a wider interpretation.

Here's an example describing the BEP:

BEP, orientation BEP, formation BEP, brevet d'études professionnelles, formation bep

Le BEP (Brevet d'études professionnelles) valide une formation de niveau V d'ouvrier et d'employé qualifiés. Il compte plus de quarante ...

www.e-orientations.com/programme-formation-bep.php

'craft' certainly implies it is a vocationally-oriented course, which fits well with the CAP/BEP stream.

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In view of the fact that you have a 2-tier system, I feel sure that what you need is CAP / BEP for the ordinary / advanced certificates. Note that BEP = level V, i.e. 5 years of training post-14; there is the pre-apprenticeship 'foundation year', then the 2-year CAP, followed by the 2-year BEP.

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Note added at 9 hrs (2008-03-13 07:44:47 GMT)
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OK, so it helps a great deal to know now that these are C&G classes!

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In that case, I don't think you're going to find that any of these solutions is giong to fit exactly.

Tony M
France
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 2

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks, Tony. In fact, both of my certificates were awarded one a year after another by City and Guilds after a course of studies at the High Wycombe College of Technology and Art.

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English: advanced craft certificate in brickwork

French translation: Certificat supérieur d\'aptitude professionnelle en maçonnerie