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with no likeness beneath

French translation: un voile/drap noir recouvrant l'emplacement qui lui était normalement réservé

08:48 Apr 22, 2008
English to French translations [Non-PRO]
General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters / History
English term or phrase: with no likeness beneath
In 1355 Doge Marin Falier was executed following an attempt to increase his powers and establish his family as hereditary leaders, the last attempt to attack the principle of rule by the Senate and Councils. In the series of dogal portraits in the Hall of the Maggior Consiglio, Falier is conspicuously absent, his place forever shrouded in a black cloth, **with no likeness beneath**.

Est-ce une façon de redire que son portrait n'y est pas, pas même sous le tissu noir ? Je ne comprends pas bien.
Merci !
JulieM
Local time: 22:39
French translation:un voile/drap noir recouvrant l'emplacement qui lui était normalement réservé
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Local time: 22:39
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merci à tous, et bon dimanche
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Summary of answers provided
4sans rien qui lui ressemble sous le voile
Pierre POUSSIN
4son emplacement à jamais/pour toujours voilé d'un drap noir, qui ne recouvre aucun tableau
Bruno HANQUIER
4(à sa place à jamais) un drap noir qui ne recouvre aucune effigie
Euqinimod (X)
3un voile/drap noir recouvrant l'emplacement qui lui était normalement réservé
CMJ_Trans (X)
2reformuler?
katsy


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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
sans rien qui lui ressemble sous le voile


Explanation:
"Sic transit gloria mundi"!

Pierre POUSSIN
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Local time: 22:39
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neutral  CMJ_Trans (X): en fait ils ont mis "likeness" pour éviter de répéter le mot "portrait" mais c'est bien un substantif, de surcroît très utilisé àl'époque dont il est question
40 mins
  -> Donc, quelle proposition? Merci, anyway!
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
reformuler?


Explanation:
"sa place, où on ne trouve aucun tableau/ aucune représentation de lui , est recouverte à tout jamais d'un voile/drap noir"

une idée... qui ne m'emballe pas trop, mais je pensais que 'tableau' ou "représentation" pourraient peut-être résoudre le pb de la répétition de 'portrait'

katsy
Local time: 22:39
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
un voile/drap noir recouvrant l'emplacement qui lui était normalement réservé


Explanation:
une solution

CMJ_Trans (X)
Local time: 22:39
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merci à tous, et bon dimanche
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
son emplacement à jamais/pour toujours voilé d'un drap noir, qui ne recouvre aucun tableau


Explanation:
Conserve la structure du texte, et la nuance "forever"

Bruno HANQUIER
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
(à sa place à jamais) un drap noir qui ne recouvre aucune effigie


Explanation:
Une proposition.

Euqinimod (X)
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