green fascist

21:50 Apr 3, 2002

English to French translations [PRO]
/ politics, environment, agriculture

English term or phrase: green fascist

Environment/Politics

Is there a term equivalent to the UK usage, "green fascist", in France? In the UK it's used in instances where green activists oppose technological developments or land developments of some kind which are claimed to be progressive and bring benefits to people. It combines the ideas of these green activists being doctrinaire, aggressive in opposing their beliefs on others, anti-humane and backward-looking, wedded to the idea of some kind of mythical rural idyll.

It seems one cannot translate literally. I have found the phrase "fascistes verts" - but only in the context of post-September 11 to describe the Taliban (referring to their green flag).

I have found one very recent usage of the phrase "réactionnaires postmodernes", (in Le Point), in relation to anti-globalisation protesters/"bovistes" which conveys much of the same meaning and I imagine is just as offensive to the activists. Has this caught on (in so far as such a fancy phrase can catch on)? Am I right in thinking that there seems to be a recent fashion for calling Bové and the Conf. Paysan "réactionnaire"?

Is there no more specific phrase including specifically anti-green meaning, France being rather an anti-green country?

Sorry this is so long.....

FranH (X)

Summary of answers provided

4 +3

I would use 'eco-extrèmiste' for French

Vladimir Dubisskiy

4 +3

fascistes verts, extrémistes verts

VBaby

4 +2

fascistes écologiques

Lise Boismenu, B.Sc.

écolos

Florence Bremond

Les écologistes extrémistes

Jean-Luc Dumont

3 +1

les verts durs

Peter Freckleton

escrologistes

Pierre POUSSIN

Eco Fascho

zaphod

4 -1

des verts extremistes

RHELLER

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1 min confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

fascistes écologiques

Explanation:
...none needed

Lise Boismenu, B.Sc.
Canada
Local time: 18:19
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in pair: 1162

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4 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

I would use 'eco-extrèmiste' for French

Explanation:
though I am deifinely not a native speaker :-)

Vladimir Dubisskiy
United States
Local time: 17:19
Native speaker of:

Russian,

Ukrainian

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12 mins confidence:

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des verts extremistes

Explanation:
on parle beaucoup des verts en france

Reference: http://www.les-verts.org.

RHELLER
United States
Local time: 16:19
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in pair: 1598

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32 mins confidence:

écolos

Explanation:
depreciative for "écologistes" (greens)
(French native).

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I never heard \'réactionnaire\' about them - but this doesn\'t mean that nobody said it either.

Florence Bremond
France
Local time: 00:19
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in pair: 1739

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45 mins confidence:

Les écologistes extrémistes

Explanation:
ou écolos extrémistes (a bit pejorative)

attention : extrémistes verts ou fascistes verts - confusion avec islamistes - car vert couleur de l'Islam

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les écologistes purs et durs

Jean-Luc Dumont
France
Local time: 00:19
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in pair: 2872

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1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

les verts durs

Explanation:
Equivalent to "deep greens" in English - less forceful than 'fascist', but covers some of the pejorative connotation.

Peter Freckleton
Australia
Local time: 08:19
Native speaker of:

English

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8 hrs confidence:

escrologistes

Explanation:
A pun based on "escroc" (a swindler, a crook). The idea is, of course, not liked among the "greens"!

Pierre POUSSIN
France
Local time: 00:19
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in pair: 1497

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9 hrs confidence:

Eco Fascho

Explanation:
Eco Faschiste aussi.

zaphod
Local time: 00:19
Native speaker of:

English,

French
PRO pts in pair: 916

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Thanks - heard this from Spanish speakers but not in France.

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12 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

fascistes verts, extrémistes verts

Explanation:
Fran,

Some answers to the questions you are actually asking:
- there is no commonly accepted derogatory term used to describe Greens or anti-globalisation activists in France
- réactionnaires hasn't caught on. It is only used in common parlance to denigrate people with right-wing opinions.
- don't be mistaken about France being anti-green. It's true that the traditional green agenda has never been very popular in France. However, the food scares of recent years and the new anti-globalisation dimension of the green movement have actually given a new lustre to the latter and it is very politically incorrect to criticise José Bové and the like. Everybody pays lip service to anti-globalisation, French ministers attended the Porto Alegre summit en force, etc.
- how does that help you with your translation? Basically, I think your source text is out of step with anything that would currently be acceptable in polite society in France. The best solution for me is therefore to translate literally, using "guillemets" if necessary, or to go with extrémistes verts, which clearly conveys that the author doesn't approve of the green ideas in question.
I hope this helps. And no more 16-hour days!

Fifteen years as a journalist

VBaby
Local time: 23:19
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in pair: 681

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Thank you very much indeed - most helpful.

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