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English: cured ham

German translation: gepökelter Schinken







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English term or phrase:cured ham
German translation:gepökelter Schinken
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Food & Dairy
English term or phrase: cured ham
My boyfriend wants "cured ham" for the Christmas dinner, and since neither of us feel up to attempting to cure one ourselves, we want to try and find a "pre-cured" one to buy or else a butcher that will cure it for us. The problem is that I have no idea what to ask for in the German butchery... Thanks in advance for your help! (Any suggestions on where to find one would also be appreciated) :-)
babbelbekkie
Germany
Clarification request(s) and response
babbelbekkie (asker): 2:54pm Oct 29, 2004: Sorry, got the language pair wrong... It should be English-German.
babbelbekkie (asker): 3:04pm Oct 29, 2004: But wouldn't Räucherschinken/Backrauchschinken etc. be smoked ham? As far as I can gather from my friend's explanations, it isn't smoked, just "cured" with salt and spices and some other mysterious-sounding ingredients...
EdithK: 3:17pm Oct 29, 2004: Maybe you are thinking of Katenschinken? www.katenschinken-versand.de -

Räucherschinken
Explanation:
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Note added at 16 mins (2004-10-29 15:08:50 GMT)
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or maybe: gepökelter Schinken
or: geräucherter und gepökelter Schinken
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ntext
United States
Note from asker to answerer
It is not Räucherschinken, cause it should not be smoked, I know Kasseler and it definately isn't that, and as far as I can figure out it is not Serrano either, so I think "gepökelter Schinken" from Norbert's note is probably closest or at least safest :-) Thanks for the KdW-Tip, Hermann, I am in Berlin, will go check there... Thanks a million everyone!
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Summary of answers provided
3 +3Kasseler Schinken
Peter Gennet
5Serrano Schinken / Parma Schinkencarmen76
4 +1Räucherschinken
ntext
4geräucherter Schinken/RäucherschinkenEdithK
3Weihnachtsschinken
Hermann
3Backrauchschinken
Klaus Herrmann
3schinkenbraten
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
geräucherter Schinken/Räucherschinken

Explanation:
... German. geräucherter Schinken. (various references). Greek. ... Swedish. rökt skinka (cured ham, ham), humbug (bubble, humbug, humbuggery, phoney, sham). ...
www.websters-online-dictionary.org/ definition/english/ga/gammon.html

EdithK
Germany
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral Klaus Herrmann: Räucherschinken ist roher Schinken, oder? Cured ham ist aber mehr wie gekochter Schinken, sofern mein Gedächtnis einigermaĂźen richtig ist.//Dann sind wir uns ĂĽber cured ham einig, aber ich wurde unter (deutschem) Räucherschinken rohen Schinken verstehen.
1 min
  -> Nein, Klaus, es handelt sich um gekochten Räucherschinken, also erst wird der Schinken als gekochter angeboten und dann cured, also geräuchert, und das ist kein roher Schnken (und dass, obwohl ich selbst keinen Schinken esse). ADD: Ich aber nicht.
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Räucherschinken

Explanation:
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Note added at 16 mins (2004-10-29 15:08:50 GMT)
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or maybe: gepökelter Schinken
or: geräucherter und gepökelter Schinken

ntext
United States
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 12
Note from asker to answerer
It is not Räucherschinken, cause it should not be smoked, I know Kasseler and it definately isn't that, and as far as I can figure out it is not Serrano either, so I think "gepökelter Schinken" from Norbert's note is probably closest or at least safest :-) Thanks for the KdW-Tip, Hermann, I am in Berlin, will go check there... Thanks a million everyone!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral Klaus Herrmann: Räucherschinken ist roher Schinken, oder? Cured ham ist aber mehr wie gekochter Schinken, sofern mein Gedächtnis einigermaĂźen richtig ist.//Gute Idee, gepökelt kommt eher hin
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  -> dann vielleicht: gepökelter Schinken

agree Anne Spitzmueller: gepökelter Schinken, siehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham und http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%B6keln
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Backrauchschinken

Explanation:
... is as close as you'll get in Germany (according to my taste buds).

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Note added at 16 mins (2004-10-29 15:08:41 GMT)
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This is what I had in mind:
http://www.freshdirect.com/media/images/product/deli/coldcut...

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Note added at 35 mins (2004-10-29 15:27:58 GMT)
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This is what Räucherschinken looks like IMHO. Not the same as cured ham:
http://www.pfau-schinken.de/RauchArrangements.html

Klaus Herrmann
Germany
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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Weihnachtsschinken

Explanation:
then just ask the butcher for the raw ingrediends for Weihnachtsschinken (Christmas ham) - you can then cure it the way you like in the oven.

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Your recipe suggests you have to get \"rohen Schinken\" (raw ham) and boil it first, afterwards you put it in the oven with all the ingredients - salt and spices. At least that’s how I do this type of dish here in the UK.

It is cured in your oven - not off the shelf.

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Not sure whether Marks & Spencer still operates in Germany - they would sell this. If you are in Berlin you can check out the KDW - Kaufhaus des Westens - there you get everything.


    Reference: http://www.foodfromsweden.de/recipes/cats.asp?cat=2&rid=35
Hermann
United Kingdom
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46 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
schinkenbraten

Explanation:
German roasted ham

This succulent German ham available in Waitrose is made to an old Bavarian family recipe. The cured fresh pork is steamed to ensure moist, even cooking, then roasted and sliced to give a ham with a mid-brown colour and a firm, meaty bite.
Uses: German roasted ham is perfect for making tasty sandwiches as the large slices of ham cover sliced bread well. For added flavour spread the bread with garlic and herb soft cheese in place of butter.
To store: Keep in the fridge and consume by the use by date. Once opened eat within 2 days.
http://www.waitrose.com/food_drink/recipes/glossary/foodglos...

ZDF.de - Schinkenbraten mit Ahorn-Glasur - [ Translate this page ]
... Schinkenbraten mit Ahorn-Glasur. Rezepte der Welt start. Zutaten Etwa 2 kg gekochter Hinterschinken Ă–l 4-6 EL Ahornsirup 3 EL Weinbrand ...
www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/18/0,1872,2034706,00.html -



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Belgium
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42 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
Kasseler Schinken

Explanation:
Um eine weitere Variante ins Spiel zu bringen.

Habe folgende Erklärung gefunden, die mir sehr nach Kasseler riecht:

http://www.vapeanuts.com/virginia-ham-faq.html

What is the Curing Process?
Curing is the addition of salt, sugar, sodium nitrates (or saltpeter), nitrites and sometimes phosphates and assorbates to meat for preservation, color development and flavor enhancement.

Nitrates and nitrites contribute to the characteristic cured flavor and reddish-pink color of cured meat. They also prevent the growth of Clostridium botulinum, a food poisoning microorganism that can occur in foods that require heat processing.

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Note added at 2 hrs 28 mins (2004-10-29 17:21:08 GMT)
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Lässt sich hier: http://www.dreilinden-fulda.de/ auf hesssische Art ganz traditionell und ohne Schillern verspeisen (persönlich getestet).

Peter Gennet
Germany
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 19

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree verbis
56 mins
  -> :)

agree Giselle Chaumien-Wetterauer: Ja, genau... mit dem ganzen Chemiekram... das ist gepökelter Schinken, der manchmal etwas wie ein Regenbogen schillert (wie Benzin in einer PfĂĽtze)... Pouah!
1 hr
  -> sieht zwar so aus ...

agree Asaphina: ... Benzin in einer PfĂĽtze .... da schĂĽttelts mich bei dem Gedanken ... :-)
1 hr
  -> ... schmeckt aber nicht so

neutral Renate FitzRoy: Kassler ist zwar Pökelfleisch, aber gewöhnlich Rippchen und kein Schinken.
1 hr
  -> Hallo Renate, Kasseler gibt es als Rippchen, als Schinken oder auch als Rollbraten.

neutral EdithK: Kasseler ist aber nicht cured, sondern nur boiled. Habe noch nie cured Kasseler gesehen, insbesondere, da es Rippchen sind.
2 hrs
  -> Hallo Edith, geräuchertes Kasseler gibt es schon (bei google sind jede Menge Rezepte zu finden).
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
Serrano Schinken / Parma Schinken

Explanation:
These two imported types of "cured ham" are what you are looking for. You can ask your German butcher and he will for sure have them. "Serrano" is from Spain and "Parma" from Italy. Both are very good and really "cured" and not "smoked". Hope this was helpful.

carmen76
United States
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral Hermann: that's not the same type of ham the asker wants to know - cured ham is more like Jamon York
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