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English to German translations [PRO] Art/Literary - Linguistics
English term or phrase:Satzstellung
Hallo, ich weiß nicht, ob ich hier diese Frage stellen darf. Ich versuche es einfach. Zum Thema Satzstellung habe ich immer gelernt, S P O Manner Place Time or: Time, SPO, manner, place. Jetzt soll sich da etwas geändert haben:
S P O Place Manner Time or Time, SPO, Place, manner. Kann mir dazu jemand etwas sagen? Ich habe schon verschiedene Sätze in diese Satzstellung gebracht. Hört sich irgendwie komisch an.
Explanation: Hi Anke, zuerst muss ich sagen, es hat sich an den Regeln nichts geändert. Sie sind sehr kompliziert und für nicht-Muttersprachler sehr schwer zu lernen.
At 3 o'clock (Mary arrives) promptly here = Time, SP, MANNER, PLACE.
Wrong. In this sentence it should be place, manner, not manner place = At 3 o'clock (Mary arrives) here promptly.
But there are cases where the order MANNER PLACE would be correct:
She ate quietly in her room last night – (SP) manner, place, time
(Mary arrives) here promptly at 3 o'clock every day = SP PLACE MANNER time, frequency
Correct.
At 3 o'clock, (Mary arrives) here promptly every day = Time, SP, place, manner, frequency
Mary arrives here promptly at 3 o'clock every day because she wants to learn English.
Adverbials: here (place), promptly (manner), 3 o'clock (time), every day (frequency), because she wants to learn English (reason).
(Mary arrives) here (place) promptly (manner) at 3 o'clock (time) every day (frequency).
Hier ist eine ausführlichere Erklärung:
The Grammar Book – Marianne Celce-Murcia, Diane Larsen-Freeman
In English, word order within sentences is more rigid than it is in many other languages ... One reason for this is that English has lost most of its original Germanic system of inflections. ... Without recourse to this full range of inflections to mark subjects and objects English came to rely on a more fixed word order ....
Ordering of sentence-final adverbials
Often grammar texts suggest a fixed order that the adverbials should follow; however, there is some disagreement, since different grammars suggest different orders for the adverbials of manner, place (or position), and time:
Manner-Place-Time
She ate quietly in her room last night.
Place-Manner-Time
He walked home quickly last night.
One problem with both of these orders is that they are not complete: adverbials of frequency, purpose, and reason, for example, have been omitted. Another problem is that the adverbial of place (or position) has served as a cover term for two distinct categories, namely, adverbials of direction, which occur with verbs of motion and tend to precede adverbials of manner:
He walked home quickly. He walked quickly home. (Incorrect)
When they occur together, adverbials of direction tend to precede adverbials of position:
He ran around the track at the park. He ran at the park around the track. (Incorrect).
Geht es hier um englische Satzstellung oder deutsche?
21:35 Jan 20, 2005
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satzstellung
Ist so abstrakt wirklich nicht zu beantworten
Explanation: SPO kann man gelegentlich aufweichen. Das mit manner kommt mir abe seltsam vor. Ist doch Teil des Prädikats. Ich würde mich, wo ich unsicher bin, an native speakers wenden. Das bringt mehr, als hier ins Leere eine abstrakte Syntax entwickeln zu wollen.
Renate FitzRoy Local time: 07:21 Specializes in field Native speaker of: German
Explanation: Hi Anke, zuerst muss ich sagen, es hat sich an den Regeln nichts geändert. Sie sind sehr kompliziert und für nicht-Muttersprachler sehr schwer zu lernen.
At 3 o'clock (Mary arrives) promptly here = Time, SP, MANNER, PLACE.
Wrong. In this sentence it should be place, manner, not manner place = At 3 o'clock (Mary arrives) here promptly.
But there are cases where the order MANNER PLACE would be correct:
She ate quietly in her room last night – (SP) manner, place, time
(Mary arrives) here promptly at 3 o'clock every day = SP PLACE MANNER time, frequency
Correct.
At 3 o'clock, (Mary arrives) here promptly every day = Time, SP, place, manner, frequency
Mary arrives here promptly at 3 o'clock every day because she wants to learn English.
Adverbials: here (place), promptly (manner), 3 o'clock (time), every day (frequency), because she wants to learn English (reason).
(Mary arrives) here (place) promptly (manner) at 3 o'clock (time) every day (frequency).
Hier ist eine ausführlichere Erklärung:
The Grammar Book – Marianne Celce-Murcia, Diane Larsen-Freeman
In English, word order within sentences is more rigid than it is in many other languages ... One reason for this is that English has lost most of its original Germanic system of inflections. ... Without recourse to this full range of inflections to mark subjects and objects English came to rely on a more fixed word order ....
Ordering of sentence-final adverbials
Often grammar texts suggest a fixed order that the adverbials should follow; however, there is some disagreement, since different grammars suggest different orders for the adverbials of manner, place (or position), and time:
Manner-Place-Time
She ate quietly in her room last night.
Place-Manner-Time
He walked home quickly last night.
One problem with both of these orders is that they are not complete: adverbials of frequency, purpose, and reason, for example, have been omitted. Another problem is that the adverbial of place (or position) has served as a cover term for two distinct categories, namely, adverbials of direction, which occur with verbs of motion and tend to precede adverbials of manner:
He walked home quickly. He walked quickly home. (Incorrect)
When they occur together, adverbials of direction tend to precede adverbials of position:
He ran around the track at the park. He ran at the park around the track. (Incorrect).
Kim Metzger Mexico Local time: 01:21 Works in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 20
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Hallo Kim,
deine Ausführung war wirklich eine gute Erklärung für mein Problem. Vielen, vielen Dank!!! Ich sehe jetzt um vieles klarer.
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