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German translation: eine Grab-, Lob-, bzw. Trauerrede halten

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English term or phrase:	eulogize
German translation:	eine Grab-, Lob-, bzw. Trauerrede halten
Entered by:	Sebastian Viebahn

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16:18 Sep 1, 2008

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Religion / Trauerzeremonielle

English term or phrase: eulogize

Situation: Gegenwart; auf israelischem Friedhof redet eine israelische Soldatenwitwe (eulogizes) vor trauernden Anwesenden nach jüdischem Ritus ein Jahr nach dem Tod des Verstorbenen an dessen Grab. Könnte man das als "Trauerrede" bezeichnen oder gibt es für eine solche Andacht nach 12 Monaten einen spezielleren Ausdruck?
Text: A woman in her late 30’s, surrounded by family and friends, is *eulogizing* while standing above a gravestone. She attempts to project toughness, but her voice is trembling from the crying she’s trying to avoid. …
Woman (V.O, Cont'd)
Little Maya keeps asking where’s dad. You should see how she’s grown.
(Pause)
Between the nightmares and the daydreaming, I’m trying to live a little…"

Sebastian Viebahn KudoZ activity Questions: 56 (none open) (4 closed without grading) Answers: 112 Germany
Local time: 03:48

eine Grabrede halten

Explanation:
eulogy wird neutral auch mit Grabrede übersetzt. Damit ist es unerheblich, ob der Verstorbene in der Rede hauptsächlich betrauert oder gepriesen wird. Die meisten Grabreden enthalten ohnehin beide Aspekte.

Insofern würde ich hier diese Übersetzung wählen, da sie auf den Ort der Rede und die Funktion zutrifft.

Wenn ein besonderer jüdischer Begriff zu verwenden wäre, so müsste dieser m.E. auch im Originaltext auftauchen.

Selected response from:

Claudia Krysztofiak
Germany
Local time: 03:48

Grading comment

Diese Lösung -- Grab- oder Trauerrede -- ist wegen der pragmatischen Begründung in meinem Text die passendste. Dankeschön!
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3 +4

eine Grabrede halten

Claudia Krysztofiak

3 +1

eine Lobesrede halten

Catherine Knight

Dankandacht abhalten

Ilona Hessner

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Helen Shiner

Discussion entries: 2

Answers

6 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

eine Lobesrede halten

Explanation:
eulogy = Lobesrede
im Collins Wörterbuch

Trauerrede wäre auch eine Möglichkeit, denke ich, aber der englische Begriff heißt, dass man den Verstorbenen lobt.

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Note added at 9 mins (2008-09-01 16:27:51 GMT)
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Hier eine Referenz mit dem Wort "Lobesrede" in Verbindung mit jüdischer Tradition:
http://www.uri-avnery.de/magazin/artikel.php?artikel=47&menu...

Catherine Knight
Germany
Local time: 03:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English

35 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

eine Grabrede halten

Claudia Krysztofiak
Germany
Local time: 03:48
Works in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 8

Grading comment

Diese Lösung -- Grab- oder Trauerrede -- ist wegen der pragmatischen Begründung in meinem Text die passendste. Dankeschön!

3 hrs confidence:

Dankandacht abhalten

Explanation:
Kenne ich so - und bewegt sich zwischen nüchterner Grabrede und Lobesrede

Ilona Hessner
Germany
Local time: 03:48
Native speaker of:

German

Reference comments

6 hrs

Reference

Reference information:
To back up Catherine's suggestion - Lobesrede is probably most appropriate if you want to indicate the eulogising aspect which is apparent in this link:

"The expression of grief over the dead body of a relative or friend in words of lamentation or of praise is of very early origin among the Jews (Gen. xxiii. 2; l. 10, 11). In the Bible specimens are found of such lamentations, the most famous of which are the dirges delivered by David over Saul and Jonathan (II Sam. i. 17-27) and over Abner (ib. ii. 33-34). In the case of the death of an important personage, it seems that there were special refrains which signified the station of the dead, e.g.: "Wo my brother!" (I Kings xiii. 20); "Wo the master!" (Jer. xxxiv. 5); "Wo the master and wo his glory!" (Jer. xxii. 18). See Funeral Rites and Ḳinot.

The funeral oration proper, however, was not known until a later period. In Talmudic times it appears to have been a well-established custom, and the Rabbis laid special stress upon its delivery, particularly at the death of a scholar (Shab. 105b). The oration was considered to be an honor to the dead rather than a consolation for the living, and therefore the heirs were obliged to defray the expense of its delivery. If the deceased signified in his will that he wished no funeral oration, his request must be heeded (Sanh. 46b; Shulḥan 'Aruk, Yoreh De'ah, 344, 9, 10; comp. Pitḥe Teshubah ad loc.). The sages believed that before the grave was closed the deceased had a knowledge of the words spoken in his honor (Shab. 152b, 153a; Yer. 'Ab. Zarah iii. 1; comp. Ber. 19a). It was considered a commendable act for the preacher to raise his voice while delivering the oration so as to arouse the listeners to weeping (Ber. 6b; Ket. 72a; comp. Yer. Ber. iii. 1). Ze'era fainted, while delivering a funeral oration (see "Mar'eh ha-Panim" ad loc.)."

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=452&letter=...

Helen Shiner
United Kingdom
Native speaker of:

English

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