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English term or phrase:	riddle
Italian translation:	da altare
Entered by:	cynthiatesser

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09:40 Feb 20, 2011

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English term or phrase: riddle

Buongiorno,
sto traducendo un libro dedicato all'architettura e agli arredi delle chiese nelle varie epoche storiche.
Trovo questa descrizione di una sorta di trono contornato di angeli:

The angels shown here top the poles called riddle posts which support the riddle curtains in between.

L'unico riferimento che ho trovato è in un sito che pubblicizza arredi sacri di tipo neogotico. Qualcuno sa come posso tradurre riddle e quindi riddle post e riddle curtain?
Grazie

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Local time: 23:46

da altare

Explanation:
supporti per tende da altare

Riddel curtains are curtains surrounding the altar as, for example, in the picture below.

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=172613

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io specificherei: tende da altare del tipo detto "riddle", visto che non sembra esserci corrispondenza in italiano

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puoi dire anche: tende/drappi a pannello

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Grazie!

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cynthiatesser
Italy
Local time: 23:46

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grazie!
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3 +5

da altare

cynthiatesser

baldacchino

Lucrezia Amedeo

misterioso/riddle

Raffaele Brevetti

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riddle curtains

cynthiatesser

riddel curtains

Ivana Giuliani

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20 mins confidence:

misterioso/riddle

Explanation:
Effettivamente ci sono pochissimi riferimenti a questi elementi, sebbene si riferiscano tutti allo stesso periodo storico.

Il termine "misterioso" mi è venuto in mente dalla definizione del genere poetico riddle:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riddle

Ho trovato poi un altro link che riporta i riddle posts:
http://www.norfolkchurches.co.uk/suffield/suffield.htm

Spero ti aiutino, sono spiacente di non essere più utile di così! In bocca al lupo!

Raffaele Brevetti
Italy
Local time: 23:46
Native speaker of:

Italian

8 hrs confidence:

baldacchino

Explanation:
"Certainly, riddle posts do not in themselves constitute a rite, whether Sarum or any other. Actually, riddel curtains (the word riddel is derived from the French rideau, simply meaning a curtain, including domestic curtains for windows) are not exclusively English – I saw some in Bruges, Belgium, a few weeks ago. They can also be found occasionally in the north of France and parts of Germany. It’s a part of the northern European liturgical culture, though their origin is the curtains that hid the altar in the early Roman Church. The rails are still on the baldachinos of some of the old Roman basilicas. Our riddel posts are merely the relic of the four baldachino pillars."

http://www.theanglocatholic.com/2010/01/four-riddel-posts/

Baldacchino
In origine il termine (orientale) indicava quattro aste che reggevano
un drappo di stoffa posta sopra un oggetto o un personaggio importante
Oggi indica una copertura retta da quattro colonne

http://www.itcgcalamandrei.it/spazio_docenti/guaita/III/lezi...

Lucrezia Amedeo
Italy
Local time: 23:46
Native speaker of:

Italian
PRO pts in category: 4

58 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +5

da altare

cynthiatesser
Italy
Local time: 23:46
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Native speaker of:

Italian
PRO pts in category: 20

Grading comment

grazie!

Reference comments

50 mins

Reference: riddle curtains

Reference information:
Forse sono quelle che si vedono nella foto. Sembrano due tende laterali

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Qui sembra dire che sono tende che costituiscono lo sfondo dell'altare

http://books.google.it/books?id=1dd70E-chqwC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA...

Reference: http://hillerleiturgia.blogspot.com/2010_03_01_archive.html

cynthiatesser
Italy
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Italian
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2 hrs

Reference: riddel curtains

Reference information:
books.google.it/books?isbn=1904006132...

riddel(I) or riddle. In a church, the curtains suspended around an altar, sometimes from rods fixed into the wall behind, but more often from some means of hanging spanning between riddel-posts: there were normally four of the last, polygonal on plan, coloured and gilded, and crowned by angels, often supporting candelabra. Arrangements of riddels behind and around altars seem to have been not uncommon in England towards the end of the Gothic period, in the decades immediately before the iconoclasm of C16, and were revived in the early C20 during the late flowering of the Gothic Revival, notably by Comper and Temple Moore.

http://rhodeislandaltars.org/category/terms-and-origins/

Actually, riddel curtains (the word riddel is derived from the French rideau, simply meaning a curtain, including domestic curtains for ...

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http://www.sspxusa.org/acss/rubrics/general/The-Sanctuary-an...

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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~temples/gl...

Ivana Giuliani
Italy
Native speaker of:

Italian
PRO pts in category: 4

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