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Latin translation: "homo subtilissimi palati"

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09:31 Nov 22, 2005

English to Latin translations [PRO]
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English term or phrase: Gourmet

i want to know the latin version of the word Gourmet.

desmond

Latin translation:"homo subtilissimi palati"

Explanation:
Which means: "a man of much refined taste".
It could also be "homo docti et eruditi palati" ("a man of well-learned and trained taste")- I took "docta er erudita palata (good tastes)" from an late-Latin author of the 1st cent. A.D. -, but it seems too long a definition... :-)

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Leonardo Marcello Pignataro
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5 +5

"homo subtilissimi palati"

Leonardo Marcello Pignataro

4 +2

vir subtilis palatii

Joseph J. Brazauskas

5 +1

cuppes

Zrinka Milas

5 -1

delicia

Tony Pratschke

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1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +5

gourmet

"homo subtilissimi palati"

Leonardo Marcello Pignataro
Local time: 08:24
Native speaker of:

Italian
PRO pts in category: 4

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gourmet delicia

Explanation:
'delicia' (gen. 'deliciae')= a man with excellent taste; the words 'comedo' (gen. 'comedonis') or 'comedus' (gen. 'comedi') may also be used but they mean = one who spends/squanders his money on feasting revelry.

Reference: http://www.erols.com
Reference: http://www.textkit.com

Tony Pratschke
Ireland
Local time: 07:24
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Irish

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Leonardo Marcello Pignataro: Are you sure for "delicia"? In the singular it means "timber" (Vitruvius), while in the plural "deliciae" it means "delicatessen" and "luxury". Was it, maybe, "delicatus" or "deliciosus" (late-Latin for someone who likes luxury)? Just wondering...

10 mins

-> Yes, Leonardo, according to the database I quote in the URL above.

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Joseph J. Brazauskas: The archaic form 'delicia', found in Plautus, is singular; the correct plural form is 'deliciae', and it has a wide variety of meanings, but 'gourmet' isn't one of them.

10 hrs

-> Thanks for your comment. I am basing my answer on the URL database given above. According to that 'delicia', used in the plural, refers to 'favourite/pet/darling/beloved' whereas the singular 'delicia' is given as 'a man with exquisite taste/ gourmet'.

15 hrs confidence:

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gourmet vir subtilis palatii

Explanation:
Literally, 'a man of discerning palate', expanding on a hint from Horace, 'Saturae', 2.8.38: fervida quod subtile exsurdant vina palatum.

Joseph J. Brazauskas
United States
Local time: 02:24
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Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 8

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Zrinka Milas: Homo turned into vir. I guess I gave you an idea. :) I was only joking, Joseph. Besides, vir is for sure right, if you are aware of the small likelihood that women spent more time lying in the triclinium than men.

22 mins

-> Perhaps. But whether one chooses 'homo' or 'vir', 'subtile palatum' comes from Horace. In the context cited he uses the phrase of a wine connoisseur. I merely transferred it to a connoisseur of food.

agree

Leonardo Marcello Pignataro: Right, Jospeh! Apart from "palatii", it should be with one "i", unless you mean "a man with a very elegant mansion (palatium)" :-) // That is dropping the 2nd -i, for nouns in -ius/ium, but, still, "palatum" (taste) is not one of them, anyway!

5 hrs

-> Yes, that would be the strictly classical form of 2nd decl. nouns in -ius/-ium, but the orthography more commonly in use nowadays is that of the post-Augustan period.

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

gourmet cuppes

Explanation:
HIH!

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Note added at 5 hrs 4 mins (2005-11-22 14:35:57 GMT)
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I can offer you only a link in German. A gourmet is also called "Feinschmecker" (in German).
http://wernersindex.de/f.htm

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Note added at 7 hrs 11 mins (2005-11-22 16:43:44 GMT)
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In another dictionary I found a really disgusting phrase for gourmet: homo gullae deditus - a man dedicated to the throat - this would be really a glutton, eating beyond needs, without any philosphy behind it (instead of: homo gulae irritamenta deditus- a person dedicated to the palate).

Besides:
Cuppedia, a dem. of cuppes means nibbler, sweet-tooth (but I won´t mention this painful word any more) :).
Cuppedinarius, for example, is a person who sells titbits.

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Note added at 2 days 4 hrs 54 mins (2005-11-24 14:25:59 GMT)
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An excerpt from a Russian-Latin dictionary: The first word in Cyrrilic letters means "Lakomka": gourmet, sweet tooth, a man with a delicate palate.

http://history.km.ru/clovar/l.htm
ëàêîìêà cuppes, çdis, m; catillo, onis, m; qui exquisitos tantum cibos quaerit, nec communem habet gulam; qui cuppedias sectatur; cupediarum appetens [ntis]; ligurritor [oris, m]; homo [hominis, m] delicati palati; homo delicatus;

Zrinka Milas
Local time: 08:24
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Croatian,

German

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Leonardo Marcello Pignataro: But "cuppes" is "glutton" :-) Still, a "gourmet" may quite often be such... :-)// Sure enough cupio > cuppes > greedy > glutton (Plautus)

56 mins

-> I don´t know what dictionary you have, but cuppes derives from cupio. Btw.: "glutton" derives from the latin word: gluttio/glutio. I have a very polite dictionary, which doesn't give such attributions to such a person, but only that he is a gourmet.:))

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Joseph J. Brazauskas: 'Cuppes' is properly an adjective meaning 'fond of delicacies' and could conceivably be used substantively for 'gourmet'. But it does not imply the discerning taste which is the mark of the true gourmet as opposed to the mere glutton.

11 hrs

-> Thank you, Joseph, but this wasn´t purely my interpretation, I found the word in two different dictionaries. Also, the word "glutton" was not even mentioned (this was only Leonardo´s implementation).

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