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19:44 Mar 25, 2007
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Science - Computers (general)
English term or phrase: universal of discourse
The information modeling methodology for sociotechnical systems provides formalism to describe
the universal of discourse.
Ovidiu Matiu
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5 +1universalia discursuluimicawber_7
3 +1universaliile discursului(discursive)
Valentin Cirdei


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universaliile discursului(discursive)


Explanation:
Just a pot shot, dar aşa cum există universalii lingvistice, cred că despre asta e vorba şi aici.

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Note added at 14 mins (2007-03-25 19:59:48 GMT)
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Sau poate e o greşeală de editare, i.e. "the universe of discourse". Autorul a vrut să scrie "the universal locus(?!) of discourse" şi i-a alunecat delete-ul.

Pe de altă parte, e puţin probabil:

I am wondering if there are any documented "discourse universals," and where I could find discussion about universals of discourse
linguistlist.org/issues/11/11-2447.html

This second level of linguistics, which must look for the universals of discourse (if they exist) under the form of units and general rules of combination, must at the same time obviously give an answer to the question whether structural analysis is justified in retaining the traditional typology of discourses;
http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/pcraddoc/barthes.htm

După cum văd, şi Roland Barthes se îndoieşte de existenţa lor, aşa că pot sta liniştit :))

Valentin Cirdei
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Maria Diaconu: era cât pe ce să dau acelaşi răspuns :) La plural, serios vorbind!
10 mins
  -> Mulţumesc. La singular sau la plural ? :)

neutral  micawber_7: Cuvantul 'discursiv' inseamna in primul rand 'legat de un rationament logic'.
9 hrs
  -> În dicţionar, da. În practică, mă îndoiesc, din simplul motiv că se confundă. (al discursului = discursiv)
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
universalia discursului


Explanation:
Ceea ce deruteaza este ca aici se foloseste forma de singular ('universalie'), care pare oarecum bizara, intrucat mult mai des se utilizeaza pluralul ('universalii'). Totusi, atunci cand contextul o cere, forma 'universalie' se foloseste si ea - a se vedea exemplele. Ea este folosita si in versiunea romaneasca a lucrarii clasice de teoria traducerii a lui George Steiner - Dupa Babel (Univers, 1983).
Prin 'discurs' se intelege in cazul de fata utilizarea concreta a limbajului, intr-un context si cadru social particular. Conceptul este foarte des utilizat in lingvistica generala, analiza discursului si in lingvistica computationala.

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-03-25 21:16:11 GMT)
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Evident, nu intereseaza aici in ce masura un autor sau altul se indoieste sau nu de existenta universaliilor.

Example sentence(s):
  • Am întâlnit termenul universalie în traducerea cărţii lui Noam Chomsky – Aspecte ale teoriei ... “Limba de lemn”- o universalie, o fatalitate în comunicare...
  • O universalie a literaturii este reprezentată de natura ... Altă universalie importantă a literaturii este caracterul său hedonist şi cognitiv-utilitar...

    Reference: http://www.linguist.jussieu.fr/~mardale/utiliz~1.doc
    Reference: http://www.cnaa.acad.md/files/theses/2005/2176/adela_fekete_...
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agree  Monika Silea
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