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English: puny

Spanish translation: débil y canijo







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English term or phrase:puny
Spanish translation:débil y canijo
Entered by:bella_sera
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Social Sciences - Anthropology
English term or phrase: puny
En la frase "a physically puny lot" refiriéndose a los humanos primitivos. He encontrado: débil, enclenque, raquítico, ruiz. Si alguien puede aclararme el sentido en este contexto. Gracias.
bella_sera
United States
Clarification request(s) and response
Miguel Fuentes: 9:22pm Jan 8, 2007: Yo lo pasé como "El hombre primitivo" en singular genérico, pero por el contexto tambien puede ser muy bien como mis colegas lo ponen: Un grupo de seres. "Lot" definitivamente se refiere al sujeto o persona, como en el dicho "a mean lot"
Miguel Fuentes: 9:27pm Jan 8, 2007: By the way, if "ruiz" above is a typo for "Ruín", it does not work for puny, not just here.
David Hollywood: 9:35pm Jan 8, 2007: "lot" is a collective noun referring to primitive man as a whole and "puny" is "small/diminutive" or "weak" or a combination of both
David Hollywood: 9:37pm Jan 8, 2007: At least the group of primitive humans in your text (we would really need more context to know what is meant exactly)

un conjunto/grupo de seres débiles y canijos
Explanation:
otra opción por incluir "lot"

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Note added at 41 mins (2007-01-08 21:42:23 GMT)
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se me ocurrió "rebaño" - I agree with David, it is a collective noun - and am I mistaken in thinking it is generally slightly, just slilghtly pejorative? un poco como "bunch" - ya sé, bunch of flowers....

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-01-08 22:40:42 GMT)
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Alan, I'm just guessing, but I bet neither of you are small and spinky?

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Note added at 3 days11 hrs (2007-01-12 08:16:22 GMT) Post-grading
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Muchas gracias!
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patricia scott
Spain
Note from asker to answerer
Muchas gracias por la ayuda. Muy buena solución.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3menudos (o pequeños) y poco musculosos
Steven Capsuto
4 +2un conjunto/grupo de seres débiles y canijos
patricia scott
4(un sujeto físicamente) débil/enclenque
Miguel Fuentes


  


Answers

5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
menudos (o pequeños) y poco musculosos

Explanation:
That's what the original conveys. Maybe there's a more concise way to say it in Spanish.

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Note added at 6 mins (2007-01-08 21:08:09 GMT)
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In other words, it's not just about weakness. You wouldn't normally refer to a six-foot-tall person as puny, no matter how lanky he might be. It calls to mind someone of average to short stature with is skinny and weak.

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Note added at 8 mins (2007-01-08 21:09:25 GMT)
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*WHO* is, not "with is". I need a nap. :-)

Steven Capsuto
United States
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Alan R King: I totally agree with your comments, Steven. "Puny" definitely conveys smallness of stature together with "skinny and weak".
1 hr

agree Patricia C.S.: menudos
1 hr

agree silviantonia
14 hrs
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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
(un sujeto físicamente) débil/enclenque

Explanation:
De acuerdo contigo.

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Note added at 1 hora (2007-01-08 23:00:58 GMT)
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BELLA-SERA:
AFTER SEEING PATRICIA'S ANSWER, I SUGGEST "UN MAGRO REBAÑO" WILL DO THE TRICK. PLEASE GIVE THE K-POINTS TO PATRICIA.

Miguel Fuentes
Mexico
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral Alan R King: Miguel, regarding your comment above: I agree with David that in this context, "lot" refers to a group of people collectively, like "bunch" would (but "bunch" is more colloquial); it doesn't mean "suerte"
1 hr
  -> Anthropology texts do use flourished wording, so I took the figurative sense of "Lot" as an individual. Made sense when modified by a pejorative adjective, but the group's points are sound, so I won't stubborn against a "good flow".
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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
un conjunto/grupo de seres débiles y canijos

Explanation:
otra opción por incluir "lot"

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Note added at 41 mins (2007-01-08 21:42:23 GMT)
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se me ocurrió "rebaño" - I agree with David, it is a collective noun - and am I mistaken in thinking it is generally slightly, just slilghtly pejorative? un poco como "bunch" - ya sé, bunch of flowers....

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-01-08 22:40:42 GMT)
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Alan, I'm just guessing, but I bet neither of you are small and spinky?

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Note added at 3 days11 hrs (2007-01-12 08:16:22 GMT) Post-grading
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Muchas gracias!

patricia scott
Spain
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
Note from asker to answerer
Muchas gracias por la ayuda. Muy buena solución.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Alan R King: Thanks for the convincing clarification, Patricia. I've even changed my vote! :-) (BTW, my wife from El Salvador didn't know "canijo" means that either) Cheers!
1 hr
  -> I know puny is pejorative- I was talking of "lot" Canijo:raquítico y enfermizo (María Moliner) - it is often translated as puny

agree Miguel Fuentes: Patricia's got it right! Let me suggest "Un magro rebaño", which is elegant wording and kin to the field.
1 hr
  -> Genial!! El resultado de la inteligencia colectiva!
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