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English translation: initial consolidation difference


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French term or phrase:écart de première consolidation
English translation:initial consolidation difference
Entered by: Aoife Kennedy
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03:02 Jul 26, 2004
French to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Accounting / profit and loss account
French term or phrase: écart de première consolidation
Un écart de première consolidation est constaté lorsqu le prix d’acquisition des titres des sociétés consolidées exceed la quote-part de l’actif retraité des sociétés...
Aoife Kennedy
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:23
initial consolidation difference
Explanation:
the first time they do the consolidated accounting, there is a difference...it is NOT a discrepancy....

www.iasplus.com/standard/ias27.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

[PDF] Consolidated Statements of Cash Flows Notes to Consolidated ...
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... 2 Significant Accounting Policies Cash flows provided by operating ... Depreciation and
amortization Amortization of consolidation difference Retirement benefits ...
www.toyobo.co.jp/e/annai/2003/p30.pdf - Similar pages



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... order to bring them into line with the accounting principles used ... d) Initial consolidation
difference The initial consolidation difference established on the ...
www.bonduelle.com/us/htm/corporate/financial/ annualreport/consolidatedfinancialstatements1999-hr.pdf - Similar pages

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Note to Allan:

Dictionaries don\'t cut it, experience and context does....I have translated ACCOUNTING MANUALS FOR multinationals...accounting difference is the concept..I think you might check out discrepancy and difference on an English-speaking accounting site....I\'ll let you do the work...

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In fact, the fact you refer me to a bilingual dictionary instead of to the concepts is revelatory of technique...bilingual dictionaries are a last resort....first one understands the concept monolingually, in either or both languages..then one uses a bilingual dictionary as a sort of back up..not as the source of the oracle....

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Ecart de première consolidation (pour plus de détail voir page 103)

Il est très rare qu\'une société fasse l\'acquisition d\'une autre société en payant cette dernière pour le montant exact de ses capitaux propres comptables. Il y a fréquemment un écart entre le prix d\'acquisition qui peut être payé en cash ou en titres et la part des capitaux propres de la filiale qui revient à la société mère. Cet écart positif ou négatif est appelé écart de première consolidation ou différence de première consolidation.

FINAL: initial consolidation difference or acquisition difference

I forgot at first..this is with regard to Acquisitions....only.

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Here\'s the explanation for acquisition difference:

FRED 19 proposes to change the method of accounting for deferred tax to the ... This means
that if an acquisition difference would be provided for in an entity’s ...
www.accaglobal.com/publications/studentaccountant/30922 - 50k - Cached - Similar pages

[PDF] Accounting for Brands in France and Germany compared with IAS 38 ...
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... which cannot be allocated, called the “acquisition difference” (goodwill). With respect to valuation differences, the National Accounting Council specifies ...
campus.hec.fr/profs/stolowy/ perso/Articles/Illinois4.pdf - Similar pages

[PDF] ACCOUNTING FOR BRANDS IN ED50 OF IASC (INTANGIBLE ASSETS) COMPARED ...
... a remainder which is not allocated called the \"acquisition difference\". With respect
to valuation differences, the National Accounting Council specifies, in an ...
campus.hec.fr/profs/stolowy/perso/papers/brands.pdf - Similar pages



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FINAL: acquisition difference OR initial consolidation difference...

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Please see the MICHELIN CONSOLIDATED ACCOUNTS...it will help you...THIS IS VERY WELL TRANSLATED and explain

acquisition difference= the difference between what you pay for the company and its fair market value...

ies.fsv.cuni.cz/files/sylabs/E1045T_ Tutorial%202%20Financial%20statements.doc - Supplemental Result - Similar pages

[PDF] Consolidated results 2000
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
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... 40 a) Acquisition difference.....40 ... the
consolidated ... new accounting rules ...
gestdoc.webmichelin.com/repository/ DocumentRepositoryServlet?codeDocument=67&codeRepository=MICHCORP&... - Similar pages

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Jane Lamb-Ruiz
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5initial consolidation differenceJane Lamb-Ruiz
3overall consolidation discrepancy
Allan Jeffs
3 -1Gap in initial consolidation
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Gap in initial consolidation


Explanation:
represent the intrinsic value of the brand – Aimé Salon (M €1.4): this amount represents an appropriation to the brand for a gap in initial consolidation. ...



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truptee
Local time: 02:53
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in HindiHindi

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz: no...not a gap in accounting....a difference
8 hrs
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overall consolidation discrepancy


Explanation:
Le prix payé par action ne pourra qu'être différent de la valeur comptable de ces actions en terme de capitaux propres. Même dans les opérations de la vielle économie, les valeurs de marché (Market value) peuvent représenter cinq à dix fois plus que les valeurs comptables (Book value). Comment gérer comptablement que l'on a payé 10 des actions dont la valeur comptable est par exemple de 2? L'écart total (soit 8) sera appelé écart de première consolidation.
www.journaldunet.com/dossiers/ lexiques/finances/goodwill.shtml

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OR \"total consolidation difference\"

... Given this, payroll costs accounting for about 1 percent point more ... investments
during the year, which resulted in a total consolidation difference of about ...
www.dataservicespa.com/.../bilancio2001/ articoli/pdf/annual_management_report_consolidated_2001.pdf - Résultat complémentaire

Allan Jeffs
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Vicky Papaprodromou
5 hrs
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disagree  Jane Lamb-Ruiz: a discrepancy implies a mistake..a consolidation difference is not a mistake. I don't need a dictionary for this. I have been doing French accounting for 25 years. In this context, it is difference. I saw your alternative later. It is correct, Your first
8 hrs
  -> Your comment is wrong Jane. Here is the Robert-Collins definition of "discrepancy": a conflict OR variation, as between facts, figures or claims. In addition, I think you missed the alternative I gave. See above. Oxford dicto: difference / inconsistency
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10 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
initial consolidation difference


Explanation:
the first time they do the consolidated accounting, there is a difference...it is NOT a discrepancy....

www.iasplus.com/standard/ias27.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

[PDF] Consolidated Statements of Cash Flows Notes to Consolidated ...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Your browser may not have a PDF reader available. Google recommends visiting our text version of this document.
... 2 Significant Accounting Policies Cash flows provided by operating ... Depreciation and
amortization Amortization of consolidation difference Retirement benefits ...
www.toyobo.co.jp/e/annai/2003/p30.pdf - Similar pages



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Note added at 10 hrs 44 mins (2004-07-26 13:46:16 GMT)
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File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Your browser may not have a PDF reader available. Google recommends visiting our text version of this document.
... order to bring them into line with the accounting principles used ... d) Initial consolidation
difference The initial consolidation difference established on the ...
www.bonduelle.com/us/htm/corporate/financial/ annualreport/consolidatedfinancialstatements1999-hr.pdf - Similar pages

[PDF] Annual Report 2 0 0 2



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Note added at 12 hrs 5 mins (2004-07-26 15:07:43 GMT)
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Note to Allan:

Dictionaries don\'t cut it, experience and context does....I have translated ACCOUNTING MANUALS FOR multinationals...accounting difference is the concept..I think you might check out discrepancy and difference on an English-speaking accounting site....I\'ll let you do the work...

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Note added at 12 hrs 8 mins (2004-07-26 15:10:07 GMT)
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In fact, the fact you refer me to a bilingual dictionary instead of to the concepts is revelatory of technique...bilingual dictionaries are a last resort....first one understands the concept monolingually, in either or both languages..then one uses a bilingual dictionary as a sort of back up..not as the source of the oracle....

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Note added at 12 hrs 17 mins (2004-07-26 15:19:44 GMT)
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Ecart de première consolidation (pour plus de détail voir page 103)

Il est très rare qu\'une société fasse l\'acquisition d\'une autre société en payant cette dernière pour le montant exact de ses capitaux propres comptables. Il y a fréquemment un écart entre le prix d\'acquisition qui peut être payé en cash ou en titres et la part des capitaux propres de la filiale qui revient à la société mère. Cet écart positif ou négatif est appelé écart de première consolidation ou différence de première consolidation.

FINAL: initial consolidation difference or acquisition difference

I forgot at first..this is with regard to Acquisitions....only.

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Note added at 12 hrs 19 mins (2004-07-26 15:21:45 GMT)
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Here\'s the explanation for acquisition difference:

FRED 19 proposes to change the method of accounting for deferred tax to the ... This means
that if an acquisition difference would be provided for in an entity’s ...
www.accaglobal.com/publications/studentaccountant/30922 - 50k - Cached - Similar pages

[PDF] Accounting for Brands in France and Germany compared with IAS 38 ...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
... which cannot be allocated, called the “acquisition difference” (goodwill). With respect to valuation differences, the National Accounting Council specifies ...
campus.hec.fr/profs/stolowy/ perso/Articles/Illinois4.pdf - Similar pages

[PDF] ACCOUNTING FOR BRANDS IN ED50 OF IASC (INTANGIBLE ASSETS) COMPARED ...
... a remainder which is not allocated called the \"acquisition difference\". With respect
to valuation differences, the National Accounting Council specifies, in an ...
campus.hec.fr/profs/stolowy/perso/papers/brands.pdf - Similar pages



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Note added at 12 hrs 20 mins (2004-07-26 15:22:18 GMT)
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FINAL: acquisition difference OR initial consolidation difference...

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 12 hrs 29 mins (2004-07-26 15:31:21 GMT)
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Please see the MICHELIN CONSOLIDATED ACCOUNTS...it will help you...THIS IS VERY WELL TRANSLATED and explain

acquisition difference= the difference between what you pay for the company and its fair market value...

ies.fsv.cuni.cz/files/sylabs/E1045T_ Tutorial%202%20Financial%20statements.doc - Supplemental Result - Similar pages

[PDF] Consolidated results 2000
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Your browser may not have a PDF reader available. Google recommends visiting our text version of this document.
... 40 a) Acquisition difference.....40 ... the
consolidated ... new accounting rules ...
gestdoc.webmichelin.com/repository/ DocumentRepositoryServlet?codeDocument=67&codeRepository=MICHCORP&... - Similar pages



Jane Lamb-Ruiz
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Thanks to everyone for helping me out :)

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Allan Jeffs: Dictionaries don't cut it???????????????????? So, both Oxford & Collins are wrong (in this context)? That's what you're saying. Sorry, got other fish to fry for the moment. BUT if there were other possible meanings for discrepancy I'm sure the dictionarie
1 hr
  -> no...they do not have the context...dictionaries are notional animals not contextual ones usually...have you trained as a translator formally?
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