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projectiles de l'art pariétal paléolithique ou mobilier supposent des javelines

English translation: subjects shown pierced by projectiles in paleolithic cave paintings and art objects point towards the existence of javelins


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French term or phrase:sujets percés par des projectiles de l'art pariétal paléolithique ou mobilier supposent des javelines
English translation:subjects shown pierced by projectiles in paleolithic cave paintings and art objects point towards the existence of javelins
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18:46 Sep 1, 2003
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Art/Literary - Archaeology
French term or phrase: projectiles de l'art pariétal paléolithique ou mobilier supposent des javelines
Les sujets percés par des projectiles de l'art pariétal paléolithique ou mobilier supposent des javelines.
MSH
Local time: 17:02
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Explanation:
The subjects shown pierced by projectiles in paleolithic cave paintings and art objects point towards the existence of javelins.

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Note added at 2003-09-01 20:21:13 (GMT)
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Main Entry: jav·e·lin
Pronunciation: \'jav-l&n, \'ja-v&-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English chafeveleyn, from Middle French javeline, alteration of javelot, of Celtic origin; akin to Old Irish gabul forked stick
Date: 15th century
1 : a light spear thrown as a weapon of war or in hunting
2 : a slender usually metal shaft at least 260 centimeters long that is thrown for distance in a field event

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Note added at 2003-09-01 22:13:10 (GMT)
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I thought of a better version while I was driving home from the library (it\'s much more entertaining than watching the road!):

Paleolithic cave paintings and art objects depicting subjects pierced by projectiles indicate that the javelin was already in existence.
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William Stein
Local time: 10:02
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4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +6See attempt below
William Stein
5 +2The subjects with holes by projectiles in paleolithic cave paintings or art object imply ....Proelec
5'nother commentxxxBourth
5The subjects who have been pierced by projectiles in Paleolithic wall or furniture paintingsJane Lamb-Ruiz
2The depiction of subjects pierced by projectiles in Paleolithic mural and mobiliary (portable) art sArchyR
2The depiction of subjects pierced by projectiles in Paleolithic mural and mobiliary (portable) artArchyR


  

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15 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +6
See attempt below


Explanation:
The subjects shown pierced by projectiles in paleolithic cave paintings and art objects point towards the existence of javelins.

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Note added at 2003-09-01 20:21:13 (GMT)
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Main Entry: jav·e·lin
Pronunciation: \'jav-l&n, \'ja-v&-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English chafeveleyn, from Middle French javeline, alteration of javelot, of Celtic origin; akin to Old Irish gabul forked stick
Date: 15th century
1 : a light spear thrown as a weapon of war or in hunting
2 : a slender usually metal shaft at least 260 centimeters long that is thrown for distance in a field event

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Note added at 2003-09-01 22:13:10 (GMT)
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I thought of a better version while I was driving home from the library (it\'s much more entertaining than watching the road!):

Paleolithic cave paintings and art objects depicting subjects pierced by projectiles indicate that the javelin was already in existence.

William Stein
Local time: 10:02
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  David Sirett: That is the meaning, well enough. Perhaps "...indicate that javelins had (already) been developed/were in use."
8 mins
  -> That might be better, thanks.
agree  Sheila Hardie: yes, and agree with David too
37 mins
agree  xxxsarahl: probably a spear rather than a javelin, though
1 hr
agree  Amy Williams
5 hrs
agree  xxxBourth: Can we get away from subjects (said HRH?): animals/creatures (and people?) perhaps?
10 hrs
  -> Maybe "beings" or "creatures"
agree  zaphod: with Paleolithic wall and dwelling art
14 hrs
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59 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +2
The subjects with holes by projectiles in paleolithic cave paintings or art object imply ....


Explanation:
"imply the existence of javelins"

or also "presuppose" ?? Why not ??

Proelec
France
Local time: 18:02
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Patricia Fierro, M. Sc.
40 mins
agree  Tony M: I like 'imply' or 'presuppose', but agree with the previous commenter abotu the fact that maybe 'spears' are more likely than 'javelins'?
1 hr
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
The subjects who have been pierced by projectiles in Paleolithic wall or furniture paintings


Explanation:
suggests there were javelins.

SUGGESTS

Jane Lamb-Ruiz
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  David Sirett: paleolithic furniture?! subjects...suggests?!
1 hr
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
The depiction of subjects pierced by projectiles in Paleolithic mural and mobiliary (portable) art s


Explanation:
Mostly agree with the first answer, Mr. Stein's, with a minor alteration. More context might have yielded more accurate suggestions.


    Reference: http://www.archaeologicalresource.com
ArchyR
Local time: 09:02
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
The depiction of subjects pierced by projectiles in Paleolithic mural and mobiliary (portable) art


Explanation:
The rest got cut off the first time and I couldn't see where I could add a note to my own answer -- sorry:

The depiction of subjects pierced by projectiles in Paleolithic mural and mobiliary (portable) art suggests the presence of spears (javelot, I think, is more usual for javelin).

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Note added at 2003-09-02 22:01:11 (GMT) Post-grading
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I\'m not thrilled with it either but blame the prehistorians (Social Science archaeology) they\'re the ones using it. It\'s rarely, if ever, used in classical archaeology (Humanities).

ArchyR
Local time: 09:02
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Richard Benham: Yes. A "javelin" is something thrown by athletes, not by warriors or hunters. But "mobiliary" sounds awful.
2 hrs
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10 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
'nother comment


Explanation:
Can we get away from pierced too (said the tattooist?): people tend to be HIT by spears, not pierced. Or if they are, they tend to be pierced through (redundant I know, but that's what pierced means in English, right through, whereas in French there is no exit hole (necessarily)).

xxxBourth
Local time: 18:02
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 57

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  William Stein: I was thinking of "stuck" with spears (like a stuck pig) but I decided it was a bit too unappetizing
2 hrs
  -> stRuck, instead? Hence, stricken. Or "with spears sticking out of them" ;-)
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Changes made by editors
Apr 27, 2011 - Changes made by Stéphanie Soudais:
Term askedsentence => projectiles de l\'art pariétal paléolithique ou mobilier supposent des javelines
Field (write-in)archaeology => (none)


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